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  • Originally posted by JimL View Post
    Depends on what you mean by purpose. The purpose of nature doesn't require a mind. The purpose of life is obviously to live. Whether you agree with that or not, we still all have that same subjective desire to survive and not to suffer unnecessarily, in other words it's in our best interests, and that which we consider to be good or evil is relative to that objective fact.
    Was it nature's purpose for the dinosaurs to survive? Nature does not deal in good and evil. So again yes, our survival is a good only because we say so?
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    • Originally posted by seer View Post
      Jim there is no PURPOSE for being born there is no PURPOSE for life in an atheistic universe. Your argument fails, the only reason why our survival is a good is because we SAY SO.
      Alternatively, the only reason anything is good is because we have decided (either individually or collectively) that it is good.

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      • Originally posted by whag View Post
        Thanks for asking. I think the point is that God endeavors to communicate physical violation signs to SOME doubting Christians while somehow leaving skeptics in the lurch when they ask for proof.
        Well I don't know what he does for all Christians, I have head similar stories from others.

        Can I ask what specifically you were doubting?
        No...
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • Originally posted by Stoic View Post
          Alternatively, the only reason anything is good is because we have decided (either individually or collectively) that it is good.
          Aha! Is the pious loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is loved by the gods?
          "It ain't necessarily so
          The things that you're liable
          To read in the Bible
          It ain't necessarily so
          ."

          Sportin' Life
          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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          • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
            Aha! Is the pious loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is loved by the gods?
            The latter...
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • Originally posted by seer View Post
              What is your point Whag? I think most Christians have moments of doubt.
              Yes but how many have hallucinations concerning [allegedly] floating ferns?
              "It ain't necessarily so
              The things that you're liable
              To read in the Bible
              It ain't necessarily so
              ."

              Sportin' Life
              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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              • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                Yes but how many have hallucinations concerning [allegedly] floating ferns?
                It was not a hallucination, it was physical.
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • Originally posted by seer View Post



                  No...
                  Christians typically avoid being real about the specific doubts they have for fear of identifying with the doubts that skeptics have.

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                  • Originally posted by seer View Post
                    It was not a hallucination, it was physical.
                    Am I to understand you are claiming a fern floated freely? Was someone performing legerdemain?
                    "It ain't necessarily so
                    The things that you're liable
                    To read in the Bible
                    It ain't necessarily so
                    ."

                    Sportin' Life
                    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                    • Originally posted by whag View Post
                      Christians typically avoid being real about the specific doubts they have for fear of identifying with the doubts that skeptics have.
                      No, I just don't like you and you are up to no good as usual...
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                        Am I to understand you are claiming a fern floated freely? Was someone performing legerdemain?
                        Yes and no.
                        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                        • Originally posted by whag View Post
                          Christians typically avoid being real about the specific doubts they have for fear of identifying with the doubts that skeptics have.
                          Or... they might not want to generate doubts in other Christians, or give non-Christians more reason to doubt.

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                          • Originally posted by seer View Post
                            The latter...
                            In your opinion.
                            "It ain't necessarily so
                            The things that you're liable
                            To read in the Bible
                            It ain't necessarily so
                            ."

                            Sportin' Life
                            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                            • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                              In your opinion.
                              That is pretty much Christian theology as you know.
                              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                              • Originally posted by seer View Post
                                Yes and no.
                                Am I to infer that in answer to the question "Am I to understand you are claiming a fern floated freely? " Your answer is "yes"?

                                And in response to the question "Was someone performing legerdemain?" your answer is "no"?

                                If that is the case are you suggesting you observed some supernatural/miraculous event?
                                "It ain't necessarily so
                                The things that you're liable
                                To read in the Bible
                                It ain't necessarily so
                                ."

                                Sportin' Life
                                Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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