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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
    "While all Americans cherish the right to peaceably assemble and petition the government" Does that include peaceful protesters being tear-gassed so that the president can walk a few metres to do a photo op outside a respected church?
    We already had a thread on that. You should probably take this derail there. Deflection noted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I have clearly denounced that photo op elsewhere on this board. He used the Bible and a church as props for political purposes.

    As for Portland, what are peaceful protesters doing hanging around rioters at night?
    Also, there is no evidence whatsoever that the violent protesters were cleared out solely for the President's benefit or that tear gas was used. In fact, every law enforcement official who haa spoken on the record says that tear gas was not used.

    But, yes, using the Bible as a prop was not cool. I understand the point he wanted to make, but he chose a poor way to make it.
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    So, the more we watch this chaos unfolding night after night after night, and local 'authorities' not only allowing, but encouraging it, a few things become clear.

    The leftists are FAR more concerned about 'peaceful protesters' and 'moms' getting hurt than they are about a bunch of anarchist anti-American THUGS attempting to tear burn down a federal building.

    So, a couple of questions...

    What are "moms" doing in a riot zone defending anarchists trying to burn down a federal building?
    What are "peaceful protesters" doing hanging around a riot zone?

    If they truly were "peaceful protesters", they would separate themselves from the chaos and violence instead of putting their lives in jeopardy by becoming part of it.

    It's just STUPID to claim to be a "peaceful protester", and try to "peacefully protest" in what has become a riot zone.
    It's JUST as stupid for lefties to be outraged at these "peaceful protesters" being harmed when they clearly identify with and aid and abet the chaos and mayhem.

    "Peaceful protests" are not conducted late at night in a riot zone.


    And, by the way, the ONLY reason these women are referred to as "moms" is to make them look more innocent as they aid and abet violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    We already had a thread on that. You should probably take this derail there. Deflection noted.
    Not to mention that the tear gassing was proved to be a myth.


    Drat. I mentioned it


    Anywho, more "Whataboutism" that chuckie will be sure to condemn

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Not to mention that the tear gassing was proved to be a myth.


    Drat. I mentioned it


    Anywho, more "Whataboutism" that chuckie will be sure to condemn
    Except one of his own brought it up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    Except one of his own brought it up.
    Are you saying that chuckie's outrage is selective? Perish the thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Let's stop the nonsense about federal agents in Portland

    Pretty much what I've been saying all along.

    There have been conflicting reports about federal agents in camouflage and unmarked vehicles detaining protesters in Portland, Ore., without cause. This comes on the heels of scenes of federal officers, outfitted in blue shirts and tactical vests but no official patches or badges, protecting facilities in Washington, D.C., in June. The events have called into question the role of federal law enforcement and how it intersects with traditional policing.

    While many federal law enforcement agencies are investigative in nature and have special agents, not police officers, some do have a more traditional police role. The Secret Service Uniformed Division has been in operation since 1922 and provides traditional law enforcement services around the White House and foreign embassies in the U.S. Its agents conduct operations around the president and other dignitaries, including K-9, explosive ordnance disposal, and counter-assault teams. The Capitol Police is approximately 1,500 police officers strong and functions much like a traditional police department. Many other agencies have uniformed police officers as well, including the FBI, whose police officers protect the agency’s headquarters, FBI Academy in Quantico, Va., and its enormous field offices in Washington and New York.

    For all the controversy that surrounds J. Edgar Hoover today, the longtime FBI director, who died nearly a half-century ago, strongly opposed the notion of establishing a national police force. It was a primary motive for Hoover’s setting up the FBI National Academy (FBINA) in 1935. Not to be confused with the academy that trains new FBI special agents, the FBINA created the first executive training for police supervisors, some of whom were the only members of their departments to receive any formal training long ago. Today, the FBINA remains the gold standard for senior police officers who lead departments across the country and the world.

    But recent videos of federal agents in Portland detaining suspects has sparked debate, and critics of President Trump and Attorney General William Barr are making analogies to secret military operations and private armies. Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) said “they are snatching people off the street with no underlying justification.” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) referred to federal agents in Portland as “Stormtroopers” in a tweet. Said Juan Chavez, director of the civil rights project at the Oregon Justice Resource Center: “It’s like stop and frisk meets Guantanamo Bay.” This is nonsense.

    The federal building and courthouse in Portland have been under assault by demonstrators for more than two weeks. In addition to the “mere graffiti” that opponents of the federal response have pointed to, there has been substantial damage to windows and doors; protesters have attempted to set fire to the facility; and federal agents attempting to stop the violence have been assaulted while the protestors blind them with laser lights. Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler has sided with the protesters and told Portland police to back down. Last week he told the acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf to send the federal agents away.

    While all Americans cherish the right to peaceably assemble and petition the government for a redress of grievances, what’s happening in Oregon is not that. Most jurisdictions, Portland included, require protesters to apply for a permit and comply with laws and regulations relating to protest activity. But in recent weeks, police response in cities such as Seattle, Portland and New York has been to allow protesters to flagrantly break the law without recourse. A protester who assaulted the New York Police Department chief of department during a demonstration on the Brooklyn Bridge on Thursday leaving him bloodied, was released without bail.

    The federal government is sovereign to the states and does not need a governor’s or mayor’s permission to enforce federal law. If local police will not protect federal property, the federal government can. Contrary to some media reports, the federal agents making arrests in Portland can be seen wearing identifying patches on their uniforms, with “police” emblazoned on their vests, and Acting Commissioner Mark Morgan has confirmed they are Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents. The agents have appeared in rented, unmarked vans because they are on temporary duty assignments in Portland; it’s not an effort to keep their identities secret.

    Critics have pointed to arrests made by these agents away from the federal courthouse as evidence they are rounding up “innocent protesters.” Federal agents are not precluded from making probable-cause arrests, or arrests based on warrants, away from federal property. Since many of these federal teams have been in place for weeks, it is likely they have arrest packages on individuals accused of previously committing crimes who are now being identified through investigations. In several videos, agents can be seen bypassing individuals to arrest persons of apparent interest; these appear to be targeted operations, not the roundup of innocents.

    All of law enforcement is accountable to the citizens by way of their elected officials. If the people of Portland, Seattle and New York are fine with having anarchy in their streets, they can continue to vote for politicians who handcuff the police and back them down. If the rest of the country wants federal law enforcement to look like that, too, they can vote that way in November. In the meantime, however, the hyperbolic references comparing U.S. federal agents to Guantanamo Bay, Stormtroopers and Nazis should stop.

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    If I were peacefully protesting, I would make sure I did it in the daytime and I would do it peacefully, not violently.

    I went by the local abortion clinic on Tuesday on my way to get some medical labs done at the hospital nearby. I saw dozens of peaceful protestors there, standing around, handing out flyers and carrying signs (not even on the abortion clinic's property). The were doing it in the daytime, they were not shouting, or intimidating anyone, or trying to burn down the clinic. They weren't even writing graffiti on the walls.

    That is what I call a peaceful protest. No mistaking it for a rioting mob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    If I were peacefully protesting, I would make sure I did it in the daytime and I would do it peacefully, not violently.
    Momma always said "nothing good happens after midnight".

    I went by the local abortion clinic on Tuesday on my way to get some medical labs done at the hospital nearby. I saw dozens of peaceful protestors there, standing around, handing out flyers and carrying signs (not even on the abortion clinic's property). The were doing it in the daytime, they were not shouting, or intimidating anyone, or trying to burn down the clinic. They weren't even writing graffiti on the walls.

    That is what I call a peaceful protest. No mistaking it for a rioting mob.
    Amazing, eh? The difference between what the leftist nutters will call a "peaceful protest", opposed to actual peaceful protests?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
    "While all Americans cherish the right to peaceably assemble and petition the government" Does that include peaceful protesters being tear-gassed so that the president can walk a few metres to do a photo op outside a respected church?
    You mean the historic church the "peaceful protesters" set fire to mere days before? And what kind of idiot police use tear gas without masks on? Or are you just assuming it was tear gas?


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