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I - an atheist - am morally better than the Christian God
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostI'm saying that if Bob(an evil jerk that kicks puppies and children) never existed, then what about his daughter Jane(nice person that will run many genuine charities that help children and animals)? How can Jane exist, unless Bob exists to be her biological father and donate half of her DNA?
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostFirst, you will need to define "evil."
IMO, "evil" is selfishness, which covers a lot of ground, and everyone has it and has acted upon it to some degree. So to prevent the birth of anyone who will choose evil eliminates everyone.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostWhat if He wants to do the whole Hero rescues the damsel in distress story?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostThe problem of evil can be solved instantly in this way: prevent the birth of anyone who will freely choose to do evil.
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Originally posted by David Hayward View PostI realise you are proposing this tongue-in-cheek
Originally posted by David Hayward View Postbut would note that what you are proposing to do (on elevation to godhood) is eugenics.
the study of how to arrange reproduction within a human population to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as desirable.
God preventing certain people from being born isn't about reproduction. At all. Indeed, once an "evil-free" person is born thru this process, there's nothing that ensures his/her progeny will be allowed to be born as well. Their parents will never commit evil, but the process doesn't make it more likely that the child will never commit evil. If this was eugenics, the offspring should be more likely to not choose evil.
I agree that my process sounds like eugenics, but a few minutes spent in investigation reveals that it's not.
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Originally posted by JimL View Postwouldn't creating them in a way that prevents them from "freely choosing" evil, mean that they were created in a way that "determines" them to do good?
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Originally posted by David Hayward View PostI realise you are proposing this tongue-in-cheek, but would note that what you are proposing to do (on elevation to godhood) is eugenics.
That doesn't, however, mean that improving humans, is in and of itself a bad idea. The science of genetic engineering is very nearly at the point where arbitrary changes can be made to the human genome. The immediate consequences of that will be a cure for all genetic diseases. It's pretty hard to label a cure for so many diseases as 'immoral' or wiping out so many diseases as bad.
If sinfulness is to be viewed as an illness in humanity, as Christianity typically sees it as, then curing it (through Christ, or through selective soul birth as Whateverman is suggesting) seems a great good. His suggestion doesn't have any murders or any violation of free will, or any down side. He is proposing making humanity better and the world better without harming anyone in any way.Last edited by Starlight; 07-26-2020, 02:31 AM."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Why am I not surprised that the guy who supports the killing of newborn babies weeks to months after their birth is also a fan of eugenics.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWhy am I not surprised that the guy who supports the killing of newborn babies weeks to months after their birth is also a fan of eugenics."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
The problem of evil can be solved instantly in this way: prevent the birth of anyone who will freely choose to do evil.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostSo he made everyone suffer in the first place just so he could save them? That's a pretty dark twist on a 'savior complex'.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostEternal salvation for the good and eternal damnation for the bad is a very “dark” myth all round, clearly the product of a more primitive era.
Theologians often try to get around this by implying God has no choice or that something about the damned themselves causes their suffering. But the thing is, if God can create a world like the one we live in/on at the moment, why can't he make a similar quality world for the damned in the afterlife? If he chooses for the quality of life for the damned in the afterlife to be lower for them than it is in this world, that's on him."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostHere's why: I know how to rid the universe of evil without impacting the free will of its inhabitants. Even better, I will do this the instant I'm granted the ability to do so.
The Christian God already has this ability, and refuses to use it.
This makes me morally superior to him.
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The problem of evil can be solved instantly in this way: prevent the birth of anyone who will freely choose to do evil.
This avoids forcing people to make choices they wouldn't make themselves. Free will conundrum resolved, and all evil stopped; the universe becomes as sinless as heaven, and the need for Hell is gone.
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How do I apply for the promotion to godhood?
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