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I - an atheist - am morally better than the Christian God
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThat's silly. Our natures, assuming we were created by a god, were inherited so to speak, from the creator of Adam, not from Adam. Addicts are always susceptible to relapse which is why in christianity god has to recreate us, thus making us unable to sin or according to Wm's concept, making us unable to cause unnecessary suffering.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo then, you don't know.
So there is evidence that Jesus was indeed, sinless.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe bible.
He also engaged in a bout of vandalism as well as some assault and battery when he cleared the Temple."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postyour nature is inherited from your parents. That's how it works.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostHe cursed the poor fig tree for not being in fruit when he wanted something to eat. When he created the universe he must surely have decided the fruiting seasons of the fig and therefore known it would not be in fruit at that particular point in time.
So when Jesus saw that the tree didn't have the knobs He knew it would not produce any figs that year.
Jesus is telling a parable. A parable is a story with a message.
The Old Testament uses the fig tree very often as a symbol of Israel.
Please see Jeremiah 8:13 and Jeremiah 29:15-19 and Hosea 9:10, 16 and Micah 7:1-4
A barren tree fig tree often symbolizes divine judgment on Israel because of her spiritual fruitlessness. Jesus' act illustrates God's judgment against earthly Israel for her fruitlessness.
Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
He also engaged in a bout of vandalism as well as some assault and battery when he cleared the Temple.
Jesus drove the animals out and the money changers followed the animals.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostOriginally posted by Whateverman View PostOriginally posted by Christian3 View PostThere are several things wrong with your position.
First: If you prevent the birth of anyone who freely chooses to do evil, no one would be born.
- Christians are the ones asserting that my idea would prevent humans from being born, so before I'm burdened with showing anything, their assertion needs to be supported. And given the disagreement amongst them about just how sinful the un/newly born are, I'd say you've got a prohibitively steep hill to climb.
- Even if my idea causes no one to be born, I've still created a sinless universe, free from evil - which reiterates my moral superiority over the Christian God.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View Post... and as for Jesus being sin-free: ordering that someone's horse be stolen - and it being subsequently stolen - is theft. A sin, in the Christian worldview.
ps. anyone who argues that Jesus can't sin is rendering Christian morality relative and subjective. Don't go there :)
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The donkey was borrowed. It's no different than if some one had prearranged to burrow your bike and sent a friend to get it and you knew that the friend was actually getting it for the right person.
Disciple: We are here to burrow the donkey for Jesus.
Donkey owner: Here you go!If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostThe donkey was borrowed. It's no different than if some one had prearranged to burrow your bike and sent a friend to get it and you knew that the friend was actually getting it for the right person.
Disciple: We are here to burrow the donkey for Jesus.
Donkey owner: Here you go!
Scripture doesn't say anything about borrowing or even asking, though. Indeed, Luke 19: 29 - 36 makes it pretty clear that the horse is being taken by authority; it's not a request.
I respectfully understand and sympathize with the desire to interpret that the horse was happily lent/given to the disciples - but the bible doesn't say this. And the bible is pretty clear about not adding to God's Word...
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