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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    I don't believe that Adam would never have sinned. I believe that God knew Adam would sin and that He already had a redemptive plan in place, as scripture says, before the foundation of the world.
    aka. Adam was never perfect.

    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    I will leave it to you and whatever to continue to argue that you are both morally better than God.
    At this point, it's been proven.
    I can solve the problem of evil without interfering with anyone's free will. So can your God, but he refuses. This is why I'm His moral superior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    I don't believe that Adam would never have sinned. I believe that God knew Adam would sin and that He already had a redemptive plan in place, as scripture says, before the foundation of the world.
    aka. Adam was never perfect.

    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    I will leave it to you and whatever to continue to argue that you are both morally better than God.
    At this point, it's been proven.
    I can solve the problem of evil without interfering with anyone's free will. So can your God, but he refuses. This is why I'm His moral superior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    How is it they sinned in the first place then if they were created perfect with a non sin nature?
    Being perfect doesn't mean you can't sin. Adam had the ability and free will to choose to sin or not sin. He chose to sin. And "perfect" was my term, not the bible's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Being perfect doesn't mean you can't sin.
    If you create an object that can break, that object isn't perfect.
    I can solve the problem of evil without interfering with anyone's free will. So can your God, but he refuses. This is why I'm His moral superior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Being perfect doesn't mean you can't sin. Adam had the ability and free will to choose to sin or not sin. He chose to sin. And "perfect" was my term, not the bible's.

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    So in what way did Adam's nature differ from that of his descendents? The bible says Adam, because he sinned, is the cause of our sin nature. Do you see the error in that logic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whateverman View Post
    aka. Adam was never perfect.


    At this point, it's been proven.
    Only in your own mind, wm. Only in your own mind.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    Only in your own mind, wm. Only in your own mind.
    Not really. The number of Christians here who've stopped trying to defend their position speaks volumes - and that's happening outside of my mind :)
    I can solve the problem of evil without interfering with anyone's free will. So can your God, but he refuses. This is why I'm His moral superior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    Except that passage is referring to, firstly, the king of Tyre, and then of Lucifer, not Adam. And Lucifer fell, mightily, by his own choice.
    Adam fell “mightily, by his own choice” too – isn’t that the point of the story? So, how could a perfect person be less than perfect unless he wasn’t perfect to begin with?
    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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