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I - an atheist - am morally better than the Christian God

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  • #16
    Since all of sinned and fallen short, are you saying it would have been better for God to never have created sapient creatures? Because none of us are perfect. And a evil person could easily have a decent child who would not exist if the jerk parent didn't exist. Your "argument" is plain dumb.
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
      Since all of sinned and fallen short, are you saying it would have been better for God to never have created sapient creatures? Because none of us are perfect. And a evil person could easily have a decent child who would not exist if the jerk parent didn't exist. Your "argument" is plain dumb.
      There is just one little point to make. Unlike human parents this deity is believed to be omniscient.
      "It ain't necessarily so
      The things that you're liable
      To read in the Bible
      It ain't necessarily so
      ."

      Sportin' Life
      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
        Since all of sinned and fallen short, are you saying it would have been better for God to never have created sapient creatures?
        Not at all. I'm only saying what I've said: I can solve the problem of evil without interfering with anyone's free will. So can your God, but he refuses. This is why I'm His moral superior.

        If you're saying evil is nothing more than sin, take the example of a Christian in Nazi Germany, hiding a Jewish family in her attic. SS officers come to her door, and when she's asked whether there are Jews in her house, she answers "no". That's a lie, which is technically a sin - but is the lie Evil? No; it is Good.

        Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
        Your "argument" is plain dumb.
        That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it, but sadly for you, my argument is both sound and effective. I've proven that I'm morally superior to the Christian God, because I can solve a problem he's unwilling to.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
          I predict that no Christian will attempt to address the argument, let alone disprove it.
          God whom the perishing does not know is the infinite good. And evil is only possible because a creation can only be a finite good. Evil needs a finite good which can be harmed. In the promised New Heaven and Earth it is fully protected by God so in it evil cannot be possible.
          . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

          . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

          Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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          • #20
            Originally posted by 37818 View Post
            God whom the perishing does not know is the infinite good. And evil is only possible because a creation can only be a finite good. Evil needs a finite good which can be harmed. In the promised New Heaven and Earth it is fully protected by God so in it evil cannot be possible.
            You ignoring the argument I've made doesn't mean you've refuted it.

            I can solve the problem of evil without interfering with anyone's free will. So can your God, but he refuses. This is why I'm His moral superior.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
              My unwillingness to hear <X> doesn't impact your ability to say <X>.

              Your unwillingness to say <X> implies your inability to do so.

              I can solve the problem of evil without interfering with anyone's free will. So can your God, but he refuses. This is why I'm His moral superior.
              The problem of evil is evil cannot exist without good. Evil cannot counter the Infinite Good.
              . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

              . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

              Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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              • #22
                Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                The problem of evil is evil cannot exist without good.
                No, that's not what the problem of evil is.

                The problem of evil refers to the challenge of reconciling belief in an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient God, with the existence of evil and suffering in the world.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                  There is just one little point to make. Unlike human parents this deity is believed to be omniscient.
                  I'm saying that if Bob(an evil jerk that kicks puppies and children) never existed, then what about his daughter Jane(nice person that will run many genuine charities that help children and animals)? How can Jane exist, unless Bob exists to be her biological father and donate half of her DNA?
                  If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                    Not at all. I'm only saying what I've said: I can solve the problem of evil without interfering with anyone's free will. So can your God, but he refuses. This is why I'm His moral superior.

                    If you're saying evil is nothing more than sin, take the example of a Christian in Nazi Germany, hiding a Jewish family in her attic. SS officers come to her door, and when she's asked whether there are Jews in her house, she answers "no". That's a lie, which is technically a sin - but is the lie Evil? No; it is Good.


                    That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it, but sadly for you, my argument is both sound and effective. I've proven that I'm morally superior to the Christian God, because I can solve a problem he's unwilling to.
                    Yeah, I don't feel like giving any pearls to ya. There is an answer, but you are deaf and blind to it.
                    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                      No, that's not what the problem of evil is.

                      The problem of evil refers to the challenge of reconciling belief in an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient God, with the existence of evil and suffering in the world.
                      God is the Eternal Infinite Good. It is not possible not to have evil without temporal finite good which can be harmed. Evil needs finite temporal good.
                      . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                      . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                      Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                      • #26
                        The problem of evil is it is because there is good, temporal finite good which can be harmed.
                        . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                        . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                        Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                          Yeah, I don't feel like giving any pearls to ya.
                          aka. you have no pearls to give.

                          If you could prove that the argument in the OP is flawed, you'd do so - because the idea of an atheist being morally superior to god must be annoying. That you've been unwilling to do this demonstrates the inability.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                            The problem of evil is it is because there is good, temporal finite good which can be harmed.
                            No, that's not the problem of evil.

                            It may be a problem you want to talk about, though; possibly because you can't address the thread topic.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                              Since all of sinned and fallen short, are you saying it would have been better for God to never have created sapient creatures?
                              I thought it was worth quoting this again, because in a thread full of Christians refusing to address the OP, this post actually challenged it.

                              Kudos...

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                                No, that's not the problem of evil.

                                It may be a problem you want to talk about, though; possibly because you can't address the thread topic.
                                Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                                No, that's not what the problem of evil is.

                                The problem of evil refers to the challenge of reconciling belief in an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient God, with the existence of evil and suffering in the world.
                                God is the Eternal Infinite Good. And evil needs temporal finite good in order for it, evil, to even exist. Not acknowledging, mere denial, does not refute God being the Eternal Infinite Good nor the truth evil needs temporal finite good in order for it, evil, to even exist.
                                . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                                . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                                Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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