Since all of sinned and fallen short, are you saying it would have been better for God to never have created sapient creatures? Because none of us are perfect. And a evil person could easily have a decent child who would not exist if the jerk parent didn't exist. Your "argument" is plain dumb.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostSince all of sinned and fallen short, are you saying it would have been better for God to never have created sapient creatures? Because none of us are perfect. And a evil person could easily have a decent child who would not exist if the jerk parent didn't exist. Your "argument" is plain dumb."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostSince all of sinned and fallen short, are you saying it would have been better for God to never have created sapient creatures?
If you're saying evil is nothing more than sin, take the example of a Christian in Nazi Germany, hiding a Jewish family in her attic. SS officers come to her door, and when she's asked whether there are Jews in her house, she answers "no". That's a lie, which is technically a sin - but is the lie Evil? No; it is Good.
Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostYour "argument" is plain dumb.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostI predict that no Christian will attempt to address the argument, let alone disprove it.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostGod whom the perishing does not know is the infinite good. And evil is only possible because a creation can only be a finite good. Evil needs a finite good which can be harmed. In the promised New Heaven and Earth it is fully protected by God so in it evil cannot be possible.
I can solve the problem of evil without interfering with anyone's free will. So can your God, but he refuses. This is why I'm His moral superior.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostMy unwillingness to hear <X> doesn't impact your ability to say <X>.
Your unwillingness to say <X> implies your inability to do so.
I can solve the problem of evil without interfering with anyone's free will. So can your God, but he refuses. This is why I'm His moral superior.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThe problem of evil is evil cannot exist without good.
The problem of evil refers to the challenge of reconciling belief in an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient God, with the existence of evil and suffering in the world.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostThere is just one little point to make. Unlike human parents this deity is believed to be omniscient.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostNot at all. I'm only saying what I've said: I can solve the problem of evil without interfering with anyone's free will. So can your God, but he refuses. This is why I'm His moral superior.
If you're saying evil is nothing more than sin, take the example of a Christian in Nazi Germany, hiding a Jewish family in her attic. SS officers come to her door, and when she's asked whether there are Jews in her house, she answers "no". That's a lie, which is technically a sin - but is the lie Evil? No; it is Good.
That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it, but sadly for you, my argument is both sound and effective. I've proven that I'm morally superior to the Christian God, because I can solve a problem he's unwilling to.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostNo, that's not what the problem of evil is.
The problem of evil refers to the challenge of reconciling belief in an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient God, with the existence of evil and suffering in the world.
. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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The problem of evil is it is because there is good, temporal finite good which can be harmed.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostYeah, I don't feel like giving any pearls to ya.
If you could prove that the argument in the OP is flawed, you'd do so - because the idea of an atheist being morally superior to god must be annoying. That you've been unwilling to do this demonstrates the inability.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostSince all of sinned and fallen short, are you saying it would have been better for God to never have created sapient creatures?
Kudos...
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostNo, that's not the problem of evil.
It may be a problem you want to talk about, though; possibly because you can't address the thread topic.Originally posted by Whateverman View PostNo, that's not what the problem of evil is.
The problem of evil refers to the challenge of reconciling belief in an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient God, with the existence of evil and suffering in the world.
. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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