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I - an atheist - am morally better than the Christian God

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  • #31
    Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
    ...possibly because you can't address the thread topic.
    No, we just aren't taking you seriously. It's like you've never read any books on the topic.
    Curiosity never hurt anyone. It was stupidity that killed the cat.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by QuantaFille View Post
      No, we just aren't taking you seriously.
      That's a common response to arguments people can't refute.

      The thing is that if you could refute it, you most definitely would...

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      • #33
        Originally posted by 37818 View Post
        God is the Eternal Infinite Good. And evil needs temporal finite good in order for it, evil, to even exist. Not acknowledging, mere denial, does not refute God being the Eternal Infinite Good nor the truth evil needs temporal finite good in order for it, evil, to even exist.
        See my signature.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
          Here's why: I know how to rid the universe of evil without impacting the free will of its inhabitants. Even better, I will do this the instant I'm granted the ability to do so.

          The Christian God already has this ability, and refuses to use it.

          This makes me morally superior to him.

          ---

          The problem of evil can be solved instantly in this way: prevent the birth of anyone who will freely choose to do evil.

          This avoids forcing people to make choices they wouldn't make themselves. Free will conundrum resolved, and all evil stopped; the universe becomes as sinless as heaven, and the need for Hell is gone.

          ---

          How do I apply for the promotion to godhood?
          First, you will need to define "evil."

          IMO, "evil" is selfishness, which covers a lot of ground, and everyone has it and has acted upon it to some degree. So to prevent the birth of anyone who will choose evil eliminates everyone.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
            See my signature.
            At least you capitalized "His".
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Ronson View Post
              First, you will need to define "evil."
              I disagree. The problem of evil is the subject, and plenty of people are able to understand that classic theological conundrum without needing a definition of "evil".

              Originally posted by Ronson View Post
              IMO, "evil" is selfishness, which covers a lot of ground, and everyone has it and has acted upon it to some degree. So to prevent the birth of anyone who will choose evil eliminates everyone.
              I mean, if you're going to change the common meaning of the word, of course my argument falls apart. I could similarly change the meaning of "God", and similarly invalidate Christian theology.

              If you take evil to mean selfishness, that's fine. I don't, and my argument didn't either. In fact we can just assume for the sake of argument that the word means whatever it means in Christian theology.
              Last edited by Whateverman; 07-25-2020, 07:12 PM.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                I'm saying that if Bob(an evil jerk that kicks puppies and children) never existed, then what about his daughter Jane(nice person that will run many genuine charities that help children and animals)? How can Jane exist, unless Bob exists to be her biological father and donate half of her DNA?
                You are still missing the point. An apparently omniscient Being that exists outside Time [although some physicists might challenge that contention] cannot make errors of judgement.
                "It ain't necessarily so
                The things that you're liable
                To read in the Bible
                It ain't necessarily so
                ."

                Sportin' Life
                Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                  See my signature.
                  I can solve the problem of evil without interfering with anyone's free will. So can your God, but he refuses. This is why I'm His moral superior.
                  For starters you are not eternal nor infinite. God promises a new universe. And in order to be an atheist you have to deny that God is God. And Christians who actually know God cannot not know God. All the many former professing Christians who now call themselves atheists were never really the Christians they thought they were. John 17:3.
                  Last edited by 37818; 07-25-2020, 07:25 PM.
                  . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                  . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                  Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                    For srarters you are not eternal nor infinite. God promises a new universe. And in order to be an atheist you have to deny that God is God. And Christians who actually know God cannot not know God. All the many former professing Christians who now call themselves atheists were never really the Christians they thought they were. John 17:3.
                    None of this is relevant to the fact that I can solve the problem of evil without interfering with anyone's free will. So can your God, but he refuses. This is why I'm His moral superior.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                      I disagree. The problem of evil is the subject, and plenty of people are able to understand that classic theological conundrum without needing a definition of "evil".
                      Exactly. I have no way of knowing how you define "evil" without some clarification. It is odd when the term is used by an atheist because there is no foundation. Humanism doesn't recognize evil, only changing social norms.

                      I mean, if you're going to change the common meaning of the word, of course my argument falls apart. I could similarly change the meaning of "God", and similarly invalidate Christian theology.

                      If you take evil to mean selfishness, that's fine. I don't, and my argument didn't either. In fact we can just assume for the sake of argument that the word means whatever it means in Christian theology.
                      Without selfishness there can be no evil. And so long as there is "self" the option for evil exists.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                        Exactly. I have no way of knowing how you define "evil" without some clarification.
                        You know what the problem of evil is, though, right? Just assume i'm using the word in the same way.

                        Source: Wikipedia

                        The problem of evil is the question of how to reconcile the existence of evil and suffering with an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient God. As the first known presentation by the Greek philosopher Epicurus, as attributed and made popular by David Hume, puts it: "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then from whence comes evil?"

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                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                          None of this is relevant to the fact that I can solve the problem of evil without interfering with anyone's free will. So can your God, but he refuses. This is why I'm His moral superior.
                          Your claim is not true. The problem of evil will not be gone until the New Heaven and Earth is here. ". . . And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. . . ."
                          . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                          . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                          Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                            Your claim is not true. The problem of evil will not be gone until the New Heaven and Earth is here.
                            Your God could get rid of it today if He wanted to.

                            He doesn't, though - but I do. I will the instant I have the ability.

                            That's what makes me his moral superior.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                              You know what the problem of evil is, though, right? Just assume i'm using the word in the same way.

                              Source: Wikipedia

                              The problem of evil is the question of how to reconcile the existence of evil and suffering with an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient God. As the first known presentation by the Greek philosopher Epicurus, as attributed and made popular by David Hume, puts it: "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then from whence comes evil?"

                              © Copyright Original Source



                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil
                              ---> "Then from whence comes evil?" Self, placing self above all else. That is Satan. That is the antithesis of God, who is selfless.

                              You claim that by preventing evil people from being born you can eliminate evil. Correct? Then your definition of evil appears to be that it is a core affliction of only some people, and others are not evil, because you can sort them out.

                              So a person who commits one evil act in his lifetime (and who might regret it immediately afterward) should be prevented from being born. Correct? How many people do you think this would include? Maybe all of humanity?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Whateverman View Post
                                Your God could get rid of it today if He wanted to.

                                He doesn't, though - but I do. I will the instant I have the ability.

                                That's what makes me his moral superior.
                                You have no clue. You are not interested in actually knowing God.
                                . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                                . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                                Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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