Why Liberals Aren’t as Tolerant as They Think

[Psychic Missile]

Except the left is not defining it more narrowly. "Silence is violence" if you do not support the left's view of race (buy into critical race theory/White Fragility) you are by default racist. You don't believe a biological man can become a woman you are a transphobe.

It seems like your problem is more that you disagree with how bigotry is being defined rather than it having too broad a definition.

[Cow Poke]

To be honest CP, I don't think most leftists would put their lives in danger to save a child.

Perhaps, that would be true of the liberal anti-Christian bigots who post here, but, as Leon so aptly pointed out, they are not, thankfully, typical of liberals in general.

[Psychic Missile]

It's not just tolerance, it's the response to tolerance.

If I decide, even with cause, that you're a racist, do I have a right to punch you in the nose? Or burn down your house?

Not for someone merely being a racist.

College campuses, for one, where they can't even allow opposing ideas to be spoken.

Are those opposing ideas bigoted? Because that would not just be a difference of opinion.

[Cow Poke]

Not for someone merely being a racist.

How bout anti-Christian. That's bigotry. We see that here all the time, and this Christian-run board allows it.

Are those opposing ideas bigoted? Because that would not just be a difference of opinion.

It would be your (or somebody's) opinion that those ideas are bigoted.

[Sparko]

How bout anti-Christian. That's bigotry. We see that here all the time, and this Christian-run board allows it.

Yeah if we ran theologyweb like liberals we would have banned everyone who disagrees with us.

[Cow Poke]

Yeah if we ran theologyweb like liberals we would have banned everyone who disagrees with us.

So, let's look at the definition of "bigot" - a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

So, when the left declares somebody is a bigot, and uses that to refuse to tolerate their speech, that's bigotry.

The left use "bigotry" as their excuse to be intolerant of "bigoted" speech, therefore, proving their own bigotry.

[seer]

It seems like your problem is more that you disagree with how bigotry is being defined rather than it having too broad a definition.

No it is being defined to include almost anything.

[Psychic Missile]

How bout anti-Christian. That's bigotry. We see that here all the time, and this Christian-run board allows it.

Are you asking me if I think punching someone or burning down their home is justified if they are anti-Christian?

It would be your (or somebody's) opinion that those ideas are bigoted.

Didn't you say that liberals have now defined bigotry to be anyone with an opposing opinion? How do you think bigotry was determined prior?

[Psychic Missile]

No it is being defined to include almost anything.

Isn't intolerance to race, sexuality, or gender identity an orthodox definition of bigotry? How specifically is bigotry being defined to include almost anything? You've mentioned critical race theory and white fragility (neither of which I know much about), can you elaborate how these concepts relate?

[Mountain Man]

Perhaps, that would be true of the liberal anti-Christian bigots who post here, but, as Leon so aptly pointed out, they are not, thankfully, typical of liberals in general.

I think, rather, that Leon is an atypical liberal. In my experience (and not just on the internet but in real life, too), liberals tend to be angry, irrational people whenever the topic wanders into politics or religion.

[Leonhard]

I think, rather, that Leon is an atypical liberal. In my experience (and not just on the internet but in real life, too), liberals tend to be angry, irrational people whenever the topic wanders into politics or religion.

In my experience most liberals and most conservatives in real life don't spend much time arguing online. There's some selection bias in the people that appear there. They're the kind of people who would be the kind to argue. And that's typically either people with a bee in their bonnet, or people like us who just enjoy a good discussion.

[Leonhard]

Yeah if we ran theologyweb like liberals we would have banned everyone who disagrees with us.

Wasn't tweb originally created by Christians who got tired of another forum that banned a lot of people?

[seer]

Isn't intolerance to race, sexuality, or gender identity an orthodox definition of bigotry? How specifically is bigotry being defined to include almost anything? You've mentioned critical race theory and white fragility (neither of which I know much about), can you elaborate how these concepts relate?

White fragility which is gaining strength is the idea that all white people are racist, just by the dint of their skin color. And if you don't admit it, it is because you are fragile, not wanting to admit your racism. You can't win. If you float you are a witch and are executed, if you don't float and drown you are not a witch.

Why all white people are racist, but can't handle being called racist: the theory of white fragility

https://stateofopportunity.michiganr...hite-fragility

And PM, do you think it is phobic to say that a biological man can not be a woman? Yet people are being canceled for saying exactly that. J.K. Rowling is the latest.

https://www.vox.com/culture/21285396...h-harry-potter

Tenets of Critical Race Theory

https://sites.google.com/site/nasmar...al-race-theory

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

And yet when conservatives want to peaceably assemble in Church on Sunday mornings, liberals have the vapors and want to outlaw it because "COVID!"

One of the ways that viruses spread is by close contact.

When conservatives PEACEABLY protested in Michigan, again liberals and the Governor acted to shut it down and condemn it.

I would not consider a group "tooled up" and entering the state council to be peaceable.

I am left to wonder if you would have used the same language to describe a group of American Muslims or Black Americans who had arrived dressed and equipped in precisely the same manner.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

College campuses, for one, where they can't even allow opposing ideas to be spoken.

We all endorse free speech. or do we?

The Allies hanged Streicher for doing nothing more than expressing his opinions.


There may also be occasions when despite our right to say what we think, it is politic, tactful [and dare I suggest polite] not to do so.

Inviting individuals who are known for their inflammatory and [to some] offensive language strikes me as tactics that might be considered similar to those of the agent provacateur.