Trump follows and endorses crazy Doctor

[Stoic]

I don't see much beyond the point that the newsfact is dismissing the video because it does not match with the government-promoted viewpoint. The whole point of the video was to provide insight not given by the government or mainstream media. So, your research is just cyclic reasoning.

They are dismissing it because non-scientists are spreading information that conflicts with science.

The Tea Party started as a mix of people from Democrat, Republican and Libertarian viewpoints. I don't know the political perspective of the sponsors of the video. The warnings by these doctors were not to overthrow the government but the goal was to help people see a way out of destructive government policies. They are participating in a debate, not the overthrow of sane medicine.

It should tell you something that the video was live-streamed by Breitbart.

It gets pretty sad if it is true that only right-wing people are interested in successfully treating coronavirus in a cheap and effective way.

Nonsense. EVERYONE is interested in successfully treating coronavirus in a cheap and effective way.

Only right-wing people are claiming that this is possible right now, contrary to scientific evidence.

[mikewhitney]

They are dismissing it because non-scientists are spreading information that conflicts with science.


It should tell you something that the video was live-streamed by Breitbart.


Nonsense. EVERYONE is interested in successfully treating coronavirus in a cheap and effective way.

Only right-wing people are claiming that this is possible right now, contrary to scientific evidence.

You have perfectly explained why the media keeps on lying in their news stories. Not!

You have not explained what is wrong with taking hydroxychloroquine proactively. If more needs to be manufactured, then that should be stepped up.

You have not explained what is wrong with the studies that have shown successful use of hydroxychloroquine.

You can believe whatever you want though. I was just trying to give the fuller perspective. However, I realized early on that people were not going to accept the good news.

[mikewhitney]

Pardon? I do not understand the relevance of your remark.

ETA I found your link.

However, we also have this https://wdet.org/posts/2020/07/15/89...gy-conclusion/

Critics say the research is an “observational study” that did not make use of random control groups. Steven Nissen, chief academic officer of the Heart & Vascular Institute at the Cleveland Clinic, says the study’s methodology preordained its conclusion.

In a randomized study, “you assign people to get one therapy or another and then find out how they do,” Nissen said. This study, however, “was what’s known as an observational study, where you look at people who got the drug compared to people who didn’t.”

Nissen says the Henry Ford patients not given hydroxychloroquine based on risk of side effects were already more likely to die from the virus. The Henry Ford researchers counter that they used different dosing methods than other studies.

While Henry Ford says its study is peer reviewed, Nissen says that does not mean the findings are credible.

“What a peer review person might have said is ‘look, it’s worth publishing but it doesn’t prove anything’ and I can tell you it doesn’t prove anything,” Nissen said. ”And there is nobody who’s working in this area who has any knowledge of this that says it’s a reliable study.”

It may prove that hydroxycloroquine has benefits but those might only be to certain groups with specific conditions.

Welcome to the world of scientific reviews. One editorial entry in a journal noted that over half the studies were not repeatable. But this means that you have to take the results cautiously. It does not mean that you simply disregard good results on hydroxychloroquine just because something may have been missed. The positive results have also been confirmed by doctors in the field, just as the video showed.

But if you don't believe hydroxychloroquine is useful, you can tell doctors not to prescribe this for you.

[KingsGambit]

As far as the theological aspects of this, this has led to some discussion about the Nephilim in Genesis. This is probably a good place for Michael Heiser to weigh in, as an orthodox Christian scholar with a wide audience who specializes in that stuff.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Welcome to the world of scientific reviews. One editorial entry in a journal noted that over half the studies were not repeatable. But this means that you have to take the results cautiously. It does not mean that you simply disregard good results on hydroxychloroquine just because something may have been missed. The positive results have also been confirmed by doctors in the field, just as the video showed.

But if you don't believe hydroxychloroquine is useful, you can tell doctors not to prescribe this for you.

The magnanimity of your felicitous comments overwhelm me with their beneficence.

[mikewhitney]

The magnanimity of your felicitous comments overwhelm me with their beneficence.

People here just act like a safe medicine should not be used where it might help. This is not an experimental drug without a track record. But the mainstream media has treated this like it is cyanide.

[Cow Poke]

As far as the theological aspects of this, this has led to some discussion about the Nephilim in Genesis. This is probably a good place for Michael Heiser to weigh in, as an orthodox Christian scholar with a wide audience who specializes in that stuff.

Exactly what I thought.
And, right after that, I thought about the lizard people, and the people in Congress, and MAYBE.......

[Stoic]

You have perfectly explained why the media keeps on lying in their news stories. Not!

Tell me what lie needs to be explained.

You have not explained what is wrong with taking hydroxychloroquine proactively. If more needs to be manufactured, then that should be stepped up.

If the government wants to increase manufacturing of HCQ, set aside enough for the people who really need it, and provide the rest for people who want it, fine.

Problem is, someone has to convince enough of the government that this is worth doing, even though the science says otherwise.

You have not explained what is wrong with the studies that have shown successful use of hydroxychloroquine.

That would be the job of someone who actually works in the field.

You can believe whatever you want though. I was just trying to give the fuller perspective. However, I realized early on that people were not going to accept the good news.

And of course, you can believe what you want. I tend to go with the science.

[mikewhitney]

Tell me what lie needs to be explained.


If the government wants to increase manufacturing of HCQ, set aside enough for the people who really need it, and provide the rest for people who want it, fine.

Problem is, someone has to convince enough of the government that this is worth doing, even though the science says otherwise.


That would be the job of someone who actually works in the field.


And of course, you can believe what you want. I tend to go with the science.

The government does not need to be involved in the production of HCQ. The government is usually at its best when it stays out of economics.

I'm glad to hear you go with science. This is what has demonstrated the effectivity of HCQ. So you have nothing more to post.

I'm just here to help. You don't have to benefit from anything.

[Whateverman]

The government does not need to be involved in the production of HCQ.

It does, actually.

The government is usually at its best when it stays out of economics.

But not public health.

I'm glad to hear you go with science. This is what has demonstrated the effectivity of HCQ.

Nope. Science - as summarized by the FDA - has demonstrated mostly the opposite.

[shunyadragon]

Trump retweeted misleading information and it was taken down again, and a cliam the mask caused COVID-19.

Source: https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/28/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-briefing/index.html

Trump abruptly ends briefing after being pressed over retweeting misinformation
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(CNN)Even amid an attempt by President Donald Trump's aides to shift his focus back to coronavirus, he continues to hear from a wide range of associates -- including the CEO of a far-right television network -- who are undermining the administration's health experts and questioning their approach to the pandemic, people familiar with the conversations say.

Trump resumed his daily news briefings on Tuesday afternoon, where he again touted advancements on vaccines and treatments for the virus. After largely ignoring the pandemic for weeks and denying its severity, the White House revived the briefings last week to demonstrate presidential leadership.
But the approach has hit early stumbling blocks.

When Trump was pressed by CNN's Kaitlan Collins about his words of support for a doctor who downplayed masks and suggested alien DNA was used in medical treatments, he cut the briefing short and stormed out.

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It was a sign that despite the efforts of his aides to recalibrate his approach, his own desire to improve his standing and the pandemic raging throughout the country, Trump is still trapped in some of the self-destructive tendencies that have brought him low.

While the President and Dr. Anthony Fauci are speaking again after going more than a month without meeting, Trump continues to hear from outside allies and even some inside the administration who have offered him competing advice and sometimes bad information, worrying some of his advisers who had once hoped to turn a page in the coronavirus response.

Trump also continues to hear steady criticism of Fauci, who has resumed making television appearances after weeks off the national airwaves -- earning him more irritation from the President, according to the people familiar.

Trump declared his relationship with Fauci is "very good" on Tuesday, but wondered why the doctor's approval rating is so high when his is so low.
"He's got this high approval rating. So why don't I have a high approval rating with respect -- and the administration -- with respect to the virus?" the President asked. "We should have it very high."

"It can only be my personality, that's all," he concluded.
The competing voices spilled into public view when Trump retweeted a message late Monday critical of Fauci that claimed the infectious disease expert had "misled the American public on many issues."

Fauci appeared hours later on ABC to say he would continue doing his job, despite the President's attacks.

A series of events earlier on Monday illustrated the dueling stream of voices influencing Trump as the outbreak continues to rage across the nation.

Midday, Fauci and others gathered in the Oval Office to update Trump on the 30,000-person Phase 3 trial launched by Moderna. Trump later told reporters it was a "great meeting" and participants walked away believing the President was sincere in his efforts to convey more leadership on the outbreak.

"We had a lot of our wonderful doctors and researchers with me," Trump said. "I think the meeting went really well."

While the meeting focused almost exclusively on the vaccine trial, and not on Trump's response to the virus more broadly, it seemed to participants like the President was engaged -- unlike some previous meetings that became derailed with unrelated topics and complaints.

But as the day progressed, Trump heard from several others who reinforced a different message than the one being offered by the administration's health experts. His hawkish trade adviser Peter Navarro -- who recently published an op-ed in USA Today trashing Fauci without running it past the White House but was never formally reprimanded -- traveled alongside Trump to North Carolina, where the President broke with health experts by calling on governors to reopen.

"I really do believe a lot of the governors should be opening up states that they're not opening," Trump said, countering the advice being offered by Fauci and Dr. Deborah Birx for states to rethink how they are lifting restrictions.

The same day, Trump spoke with Robert Herring, the chief executive of far-right OANN, about an unproven anti-malarial that Trump has long touted and even took himself, despite a lack of clear evidence on its efficacy in preventing or treating Covid.

"Yesterday, I had a chance to talk to President Trump about hydroxychloroquine," Herring later wrote on Twitter. "I gave him a list of doctors we have interviewed. I know he wants to help & put people back to work. Hope he talks to real doctors & not Dr. 'Farci.' "

Trump has cited OANN as a new favorite television channel after becoming frustrated with Fox News' willingness to interview Democrats. The channel, which is not distributed widely, often peddles wild conspiracies and false information.

By Monday evening, Trump had taken the hydroxychloroquine message public, retweeting a series of videos that were later removed by Twitter for containing false and misleading information about mask-wearing and the unproven drug.

Trump defended the video and the doctor it featured on Tuesday: "There was a woman who was spectacular in her statements about it and she's had tremendous success with it. And they took her voice off," he said.

But he seemed to back off when pressed about the statements made in the video itself, including that "you don't need masks" and the doctor's past statements about alien DNA used in medical treatments.

"I thought her voice was an important voice, but I know nothing about her," Trump said before abruptly departing the briefing room.

Fauci said on ABC he agrees with the Food and Drug Administration that "the overwhelming prevailing clinical trials that have looked at the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine have indicated that it is not effective in coronavirus disease."

The mild rebuke from Fauci caused some Trump advisers to shake their heads, fearing another round of headlines pitting Trump against the well-respected disease expert.
Last week, Trump said Fauci was a "nice guy" in an interview before his interviewer, Dave Portnoy of Barstool Sports, said the doctor was "on my ax list because every time he talks and says the country should stay inside, my stocks tank."

"Well, he'd like to see it closed up for a couple of years, but that's OK because I'm President, so I say, 'Well, I appreciate your opinion. Now give me another opinion, somebody please,' " Trump responded.

Meanwhile, Navarro has sustained his attacks on Fauci, saying he doesn't regret his unsanctioned op-ed and dinging the doctor for his wild first pitch last week at Nationals Park.
Asked by reporters at the White House on Tuesday about the continued attacks on Fauci, Navarro stormed away.

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[mikewhitney]

Trump retweeted misleading information and it was taken down again, and a cliam the mask caused COVID-19.

Source: https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/28/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-briefing/index.html

Trump abruptly ends briefing after being pressed over retweeting misinformation
Kevin Liptak-Profile-Image

(CNN)Even amid an attempt by President Donald Trump's aides to shift his focus back to coronavirus, he continues to hear from a wide range of associates -- including the CEO of a far-right television network -- who are undermining the administration's health experts and questioning their approach to the pandemic, people familiar with the conversations say.

Trump resumed his daily news briefings on Tuesday afternoon, where he again touted advancements on vaccines and treatments for the virus. After largely ignoring the pandemic for weeks and denying its severity, the White House revived the briefings last week to demonstrate presidential leadership.
But the approach has hit early stumbling blocks.

When Trump was pressed by CNN's Kaitlan Collins about his words of support for a doctor who downplayed masks and suggested alien DNA was used in medical treatments, he cut the briefing short and stormed out.

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It was a sign that despite the efforts of his aides to recalibrate his approach, his own desire to improve his standing and the pandemic raging throughout the country, Trump is still trapped in some of the self-destructive tendencies that have brought him low.

While the President and Dr. Anthony Fauci are speaking again after going more than a month without meeting, Trump continues to hear from outside allies and even some inside the administration who have offered him competing advice and sometimes bad information, worrying some of his advisers who had once hoped to turn a page in the coronavirus response.

Trump also continues to hear steady criticism of Fauci, who has resumed making television appearances after weeks off the national airwaves -- earning him more irritation from the President, according to the people familiar.
. . .

The mild rebuke from Fauci caused some Trump advisers to shake their heads, fearing another round of headlines pitting Trump against the well-respected disease expert.
Last week, Trump said Fauci was a "nice guy" in an interview before his interviewer, Dave Portnoy of Barstool Sports, said the doctor was "on my ax list because every time he talks and says the country should stay inside, my stocks tank."

"Well, he'd like to see it closed up for a couple of years, but that's OK because I'm President, so I say, 'Well, I appreciate your opinion. Now give me another opinion, somebody please,' " Trump responded.

Meanwhile, Navarro has sustained his attacks on Fauci, saying he doesn't regret his unsanctioned op-ed and dinging the doctor for his wild first pitch last week at Nationals Park.
Asked by reporters at the White House on Tuesday about the continued attacks on Fauci, Navarro stormed away.

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Thanks for your disinformation Shuny. We can count on you to supply the info from the corrupt Fauci.

I know the debate on the HCQ is difficult when there is so much pressure from the government and the mainstream media to accept the official narrative. That is why it is important to also get information from a broad spectrum. I'm here to help you get a better perspective. It certainly doesn't help when you fan the fire that we spend hours putting out.

And please don't post CNN garbage here. You could at least find a reputable source. CNN was exposed for its full intent to get Trump kicked out of office -- sort of a personal vendetta by the CEO or founder or someone high in CNN.

[mikewhitney]

It does, actually.


But not public health.


Nope. Science - as summarized by the FDA - has demonstrated mostly the opposite.

Thanks for you keen insights. Moving on...

[Whateverman]

The government does not need to be involved in the production of HCQ.

It does, actually.

The government is usually at its best when it stays out of economics.

But not public health.

I'm glad to hear you go with science. This is what has demonstrated the effectivity of HCQ.

Nope. Science - as summarized by the FDA - has demonstrated mostly the opposite.

Thanks for you keen insights. Moving on...

No response to a factual argument?

How surprising...

[mikewhitney]

No response to a factual argument?

How surprising...

I was waiting to see if you posted something sensible. Still waiting...

Maybe you can describe what the government does to produce more HCQ.

And especially after we have seen what Fauci and Cuomo have done to destroy everything, we should realize by now that the government screws up most of what it touches.