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Nadler: Antifa violence is a myth
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"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostThose perceived grievances are what led to your declaration. Therefore those need to be considered in context. Otherwise you are attempting to put that proverbial horse before the wagon.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd, the dodge continues --- what are the contemporary grievances? What is it these anarchists which to be redressed?
Edit. If you want a serious historical exchange terms need to be defined."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostFrom what I have read there are long-standing grievances about the treatment of ethnic minorities by various government agencies.
You also need to define your term "anarchists" because clearly not all those protesting are anarchists, anymore than all those who held grievances against their British government in the 1760s and 1770s went out rioting, beating up and intimidating fellow citizens, and vandalising.
I am WELL AWARE that there are "peaceful protests", but no legitimate peaceful protest is going to "peacefully protest" in a riot zone.
Edit. If you want a serious historical exchange terms need to be defined.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe assertion by Nadler was that Antifa violence in Portland was a myth, not that Antifa was never involved in any kind of violence.
"Demonstrators in Portland, including some who identify as antifa,"
And Nadler said that Antifa violence IN PORTLAND was a myth.
Then you had to stick your nose in and say:
"No, that wasn't the claim, CP, thats just the usual spin that you employ in your arguments in order to support your narrative."
And now after we pointed it out to you, you say the above, which basically agrees with what we said in the first place?
Go back to sleep.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostJimL, CP was talking about the protests in PORTLAND. His orignal quote was:
"Demonstrators in Portland, including some who identify as antifa,"
And Nadler said that Antifa violence IN PORTLAND was a myth.
Then you had to stick your nose in and say:
"No, that wasn't the claim, CP, thats just the usual spin that you employ in your arguments in order to support your narrative."
And now after we pointed it out to you, you say the above, which basically agrees with what we said in the first place?
Go back to sleep.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNo, I don't need to define my term "anarchist", because it's well established what an anarchist is, and somebody who is trying to burn down buildings and destroy federal courthouses would easily fit into that definition."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostIt therefore follows that the mobs that attacked British government buildings and the crowds of men and women who rioted, damaged property, and intimidated and injured customs officials as well as anyone they perceived was violating their boycotts on British goods were likewise "anarchists" [by your definition].
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThey were rebels.
The only difference between the actions of American colonists that led to the declaration of independence and the British response, and today's protesters is that most Americans today see that eighteenth century rebellion as a justifiable means to an end and the result [i.e. the creation of the US] as a benefit.
Those same Americans today view the current protests with [at least judging by comments on these boards] the expression of opinions that would have been recognised and endorsed by the British in the 1770s."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostIt therefore follows that the mobs that attacked British government buildings and the crowds of men and women who rioted, damaged property, and intimidated and injured customs officials as well as anyone they perceived was violating their boycotts on British goods were likewise "anarchists" [by your definition].
The American Revolutions did a fantastic job spelling out their grievances.
Please provide such a document for the contemporary anti-American anarchists.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostRebelling against their lawful government.
The only difference between the actions of American colonists that led to the declaration of independence and the British response, and today's protesters is that most Americans today see that eighteenth century rebellion as a justifiable means to an end and the result [i.e. the creation of the US] as a benefit.
Those same Americans today view the current protests with [at least judging by comments on these boards] the expression of opinions that would have been recognised and endorsed by the British in the 1770s.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostJimL, CP was talking about the protests in PORTLAND. His orignal quote was:
"Demonstrators in Portland, including some who identify as antifa,"
And Nadler said that Antifa violence IN PORTLAND was a myth.
Then you had to stick your nose in and say:
"No, that wasn't the claim, CP, thats just the usual spin that you employ in your arguments in order to support your narrative."
And now after we pointed it out to you, you say the above, which basically agrees with what we said in the first place?
Go back to sleep.
Wake up.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostRebelling against their lawful government.
The only difference between the actions of American colonists that led to the declaration of independence and the British response, and today's protesters is that most Americans today see that eighteenth century rebellion as a justifiable means to an end and the result [i.e. the creation of the US] as a benefit.
Those same Americans today view the current protests with [at least judging by comments on these boards] the expression of opinions that would have been recognised and endorsed by the British in the 1770s.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostThe only difference between the actions of American colonists that led to the declaration of independence and the British response, and today's protesters is that most Americans today see that eighteenth century rebellion as a justifiable means to an end and the result [i.e. the creation of the US] as a benefit.
The rabble today can't formulate a single thought, much less get organized and build a country. So that's a huge difference.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, the claim by Nadler in the OP was that Antifa rioting in Portland was a myth and CP's claim was then that Nadler asserted that the idea that Antifa was ever involved in riots was a myth. You see the spin. You did the same in the Title of the OP. So, I had to correct both him and you because you have a tendency to only see what you're looking for. Nadler in your OP was specifically refering to Antifa with respect to Portland.
Wake up.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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