Trump explicitly floats idea of delaying the election ...

[Mountain Man]

Claiming no tear gas was used without mentioning that pepper balls were used is misleading...

It's not misleading at all. Pepper balls are not tear gas, and tear gas is not pepper balls. What's misleading is to claim that they are the exact same thing.

[little_monkey]

Actually, it was the makeup to which I was referring. But, for school children in an educational setting, it's just dumb.

So according to you, trans people reading to kids in a classroom is "just dumb". And why? Because they wear makeup?? These kids have never been exposed to humans wearing makeup??? So if a female teacher is wearing makeup while performing her duties in a classroom that would also be "just dumb", according to your logic.

It's no outrage at all. Just an observation. I don't know what it is with you kids and the need to always see "outrage" in somebody's reply. It's stupid.

However, you did use the word "outrageous" in post #123. So you've just admitted that it was stupid on your part to be outrageous by a trans reading a story in a classroom setting.

EDITED: BTW, I'm 74 years old, and you calling me a "kid" is a great compliment. And my wife just rolled on the carpet laughing when she read your post. Thanks for the entertainment.

[Cow Poke]

These are the same folks who are calling being arrested "kidnapping."

Yes, they weaponize language to make it sound absolutely horrid, and totally ignore the fact that "peaceful protesters" have not exactly been peaceful.

[JimL]

Right. The expression has particular connotations.

I mean, technically, firing a big jet of compressed air at them would be "gassing" them, but that also would be far from the usual implication of the term, "gassing."

Well, we assume that everyone here is up to snuff enough and so knows we are talking about tear gas and pepper spray. Apparently we can't even make that assumption because if there's any wiggle room the defenders of the governments actions will take advantage of it.

[Mountain Man]

Yes, they weaponize language to make it sound absolutely horrid, and totally ignore the fact that "peaceful protesters" have not exactly been peaceful.

If you can control the language, then you win every argument by default.

[Cow Poke]

Plainly visinble on a video is these agents

At least you're not calling them stormtroopers.

taking a man into custody

so far, so good

in an unmarked van

Not at all unusual, especially where undercover work is done, and marked police vehicles have been attacked, set on fire, turned upside down, etc...

without any sort of announcement as to who they are

You just said they were agents --- and we know they were federal agents.

or why they are arrestimg him.

There is no requirement or need to publicly announce that, and I have previously explained the various nuances of "arrest".
It appears they removed him from an active protest area to question him at a safer location.
Safer for themselves and for him.

It happened, and it fits the description precisely - even though you mock the reality.

No, Jim, what is being mocked is the distorted reporting of what actually happened.

[Cow Poke]

Prove it.

There are reports of it happening, including eyewitness accounts - something which Christians assert the absolute authority of when it comes to scripture. Why are eyewitness accounts so easily dismissed here, then?

Like in a court of law, it first must be established whether or not the witness is credible, and has any understanding of relevant processes.

[Cow Poke]

Now that I think of it, if the election was delayed then wouldn't the position of POTUS fall to the speaker of the House until a due election could be held, and wouldn't that be Nancy Pelosi?

I don't see why that would be - I know of no constitutional provision for passing power "down". It would stand to reason that he would simply remain in his position until relieved.
After all, what if the election were delayed (I don't think that's actually possible) and he were reelected?

[Cow Poke]

If you can control the language, then you win every argument by default.

And you make the language fit the narrative.

There is this ONE example that keeps being used over and over to make it sound like this is some horrible standard procedure that is occurring all across the nation.

Meanwhile, the "peaceful protesters", the "wall of moms", the "wall of veterans".... the language makes the anarchists look like saints and the law and order look like Gestapo.

Why? That's the narrative.

[Cow Poke]

Well, we assume that everyone here is up to snuff enough and so knows we are talking about tear gas and pepper spray. Apparently we can't even make that assumption because if there's any wiggle room the defenders of the governments actions will take advantage of it.

The US has authorized that "wiggle room", Jim.

USA Today FactCheck

A database by the International Committee of the Red Cross shows the ban of riot control agents in war went into effect in 1997, but still made it legal for law enforcement use. The Senate approved the CWC in a 74-26 vote on April 25, 1997.

And, if it's "defenders of the government actions" vs the anarchists who wish to destroy our nation, I'll go with the "government actions" in this case.

By the way, Barr (yeah, I know, you think he's a lacky) did an excellent job explaining the situation between interruptions by the incredibly hostile Democrats when they would yell questions at him, not let him answer, make accusations, and even "Take as no" things he said that were nowhere near "no".

Myths 5, 6: Barr used tear gas to clear out peaceful protestors for a photo op for Trump.

[Leonhard]

I don't see why that would be - I know of no constitutional provision for passing power "down". It would stand to reason that he would simply remain in his position until relieved.
After all, what if the election were delayed (I don't think that's actually possible) and he were reelected?

There's a law in the constitution that specifies very clearly when the presidency and vice-presidency of a person terminates, I think it's January 20th or something like that. With the president and vice-president absent it falls to the speaker of the House to act in their place. That's Nancy Pelosi. And if it's not her it'll be a Democratic majority house who'll get to select a temporary president until the election.

[Cow Poke]

So according to you, trans people reading to kids in a classroom is "just dumb".

First off, I never assumed it was a "trans person". It simply appears to be a drag queen. Did you check genitals or something?

And why? Because they wear makeup?? These kids have never been exposed to humans wearing makeup??? So if a female teacher is wearing makeup while performing her duties in a classroom that would also be "just dumb", according to your logic.

If a male teacher were to show up for work wearing that much makeup, he would probably be sent home. It's an unnecessary distraction.

However, you did use the word "outrageous" in post #123. So you've just admitted that it was stupid on your part to be outrageous by a trans reading a story in a classroom setting.

Your logic isn't very good --- I did, indeed, inadvertently use the word "outrageous" in reference to the makeup, but I'm hard pressed to find a better word for that mess.

EDITED: BTW, I'm 74 years old, and you calling me a "kid" is a great compliment.

Ah, so it's senility! Thanks for explaining.

And my wife just rolled on the carpet laughing when she read your post. Thanks for the entertainment.

She literally laid down on the carpet and rolled around? Now THAT might be entertaining..... to somebody else.

[Leonhard]

The US has authorized that "wiggle room", Jim.

USA Today FactCheck

A database by the International Committee of the Red Cross shows the ban of riot control agents in war went into effect in 1997, but still made it legal for law enforcement use. The Senate approved the CWC in a 74-26 vote on April 25, 1997.

And, if it's "defenders of the government actions" vs the anarchists who wish to destroy our nation, I'll go with the "government actions" in this case.

By the way, Barr (yeah, I know, you think he's a lacky) did an excellent job explaining the situation between interruptions by the incredibly hostile Democrats when they would yell questions at him, not let him answer, make accusations, and even "Take as no" things he said that were nowhere near "no".

Myths 5, 6: Barr used tear gas to clear out peaceful protestors for a photo op for Trump.

Why was the crowd cleared immediately before the photo op is what I want to know. And apparently the justification has now shifted from a curfew shift, to a firetruck having to pass. I think we should get a disinterested investigation of these events. Even if it is as he says, the president utilizing this for a cheesy photo op just sends a horribly bad signal that I'm honestly surprised Republicans are shocked about.

I don't condone violence.

[Cow Poke]

There's a law in the constitution that specifies very clearly when the presidency and vice-presidency of a person terminates, I think it's January 20th or something like that.

Yes, and the date for federal elections is also "set". If it were to be moved, it would stand to reason that those things that it affects should also move.

With the president and vice-president absent it falls to the speaker of the House to act in their place. That's Nancy Pelosi. And if it's not her it'll be a Democratic majority house who'll get to select a temporary president until the election.

I don't see that.

[Leonhard]

Yes, and the date for federal elections is also "set". If it were to be moved, it would stand to reason that those things that it affects should also move.

True, you can just amend the constitution if you have enough support.