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  • Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    Why was the crowd cleared immediately before the photo op is what I want to know.
    I don't know that it was "immediately before", as in related to, or not. There are varying accounts.

    And apparently the justification has now shifted from a curfew shift, to a firetruck having to pass. I think we should get a disinterested investigation of these events. Even if it is as he says, the president utilizing this for a cheesy photo op just sends a horribly bad signal that I'm honestly surprised Republicans are shocked about.
    I don't see any long term significance to this. Trump's "photo op" was dumb, and I have clearly and NUMEROUS times denounced his handling of the Word of God as a "prop".

    There is no doubt that there were protests going on, and the sense of security was heightened. Peaceful protests don't do that.

    I don't condone violence.
    Me, too, neither!
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      Yes, and the date for federal elections is also "set". If it were to be moved, it would stand to reason that those things that it affects should also move.



      I don't see that.

      The National Task Force on Election Crises, a cross-partisan group of election law and security experts, released a statement pointing to pushback from Trump’s own political allies and noting that the premise of the question of succession is flawed because the election will not be delayed to begin with:
      It’s critical in the Task Force’s view that the public understand that we will have an election on November 3rd, and that the president has no authority whatsoever to either change that date or to extend his term past noon on January 20th. The statute dealing w/ presidential succession is there for extraordinary circumstances, but even getting into that gives credence to the premise that we might not have an election — which we don’t want to do. There is bipartisan agreement on this point on Capitol Hill, as well, with Senate Leader Mitch McConnell and others insisting that the general election not be delayed.
      Sounds more like they're saying "We are not even going to consider it." as their official stance. Wise.

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      • Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
        True, you can just amend the constitution if you have enough support.
        Amending the Constitution is a very involved and arduous process. And most of us don't want it messed with, I'd think.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          I don't see why that would be - I know of no constitutional provision for passing power "down". It would stand to reason that he would simply remain in his position until relieved.
          After all, what if the election were delayed (I don't think that's actually possible) and he were reelected?
          Well you'd be wrong. For one thing, only Congress, not an athoritarian President, can delay an election, and that ain't gonna happen. The President leaves office at the end of his term unless duly re-elected. If the election is delayed or in question at that time then the Speaker of the House, (Nancy Pelosi) who is next in line, becomes President.

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          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            First off, I never assumed it was a "trans person". It simply appears to be a drag queen. Did you check genitals or something?
            Trans or Drag Queen makes no difference - both are humans, and that individual in that picture has every right to be in a classroom, reading to kids, as long as it was ok with the teacher, the admin, and others involved. Your disapproval of such a case is nothing but based on hate/ignorance.



            If a male teacher were to show up for work wearing that much makeup, he would probably be sent home. It's an unnecessary distraction.
            Distraction perhaps to you and your wrongheaded attitude. Nothing in that picture suggests that the reading took place in some chaotic way to warrant your suggestion it is a distraction.



            Your logic isn't very good --- I did, indeed, inadvertently use the word "outrageous" in reference to the makeup, but I'm hard pressed to find a better word for that mess.
            It isn't a mess, and it isn't outrageous, except in your brain.



            Ah, so it's senility! Thanks for explaining.
            I've just published this book, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/17...t_bibl_vppi_i0. In my senility I can teach you Quantum Field Theory.

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            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              Amending the Constitution is a very involved and arduous process. And most of us don't want it messed with, I'd think.
              I'm not sure you can just create laws that contradict the constitution. So changing the election day would, it seems to me, require an amendment. Such an amendment could be done, I guess, for sufficiently grave reasons but it would have to be extreme.

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              • Originally posted by little_monkey View Post
                Trans or Drag Queen makes no difference - both are humans, and that individual in that picture has every right to be in a classroom, reading to kids, as long as it was ok with the teacher, the admin, and others involved. Your disapproval of such a case is nothing but based on hate/ignorance.
                My disapproval is based on common sense. I'm not even sure it's a classroom - for all I know it's a public library reading room.


                It's called "Drag Queen Story Hour".

                drag queen story hour.jpg
                Last edited by Cow Poke; 08-04-2020, 09:46 AM.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                  Sounds more like they're saying "We are not even going to consider it." as their official stance. Wise.
                  Yes. That's my take, as well.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                    Well you'd be wrong. For one thing, only Congress, not an athoritarian President, can delay an election, and that ain't gonna happen. The President leaves office at the end of his term unless duly re-elected. If the election is delayed or in question at that time then the Speaker of the House, (Nancy Pelosi) who is next in line, becomes President.
                    Calm yourself, brother --- I already addressed that in Post #209. It ain't happening.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      My disapproval is based on common sense. I'm not even sure it's a classroom - for all I know it's a public library reading room.


                      It's called "Drag Queen Story Hour".

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                      Keep throwing irrelevancies: Library or classroom, Trans or Drag Queen... the point is that your disapproval based on your so-called "common sense" is nothing but hate/ignorance.

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                      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        The US has authorized that "wiggle room", Jim.

                        USA Today FactCheck

                        Under the protocol, the United States reserved the right to use riot control agents in cases of controlling rioting prisoners of war, situations where civilian casualties can be avoided. The U.S. could also use it in rescue missions to recover isolated personnel and outside of combat zones to “protect convoys from civil disturbances.”


                        A database by the International Committee of the Red Cross shows the ban of riot control agents in war went into effect in 1997, but still made it legal for law enforcement use. The Senate approved the CWC in a 74-26 vote on April 25, 1997.
                        That's not the wiggle room I was talking about. It was the semantical issue of whether citizens could be said to have been gassed. You took issue with that as if you didn't know what the gassing agent was we were talking about.
                        And, if it's "defenders of the government actions" vs the anarchists who wish to destroy our nation, I'll go with the "government actions" in this case.
                        Regardless of whether the the governments actions are right or wrong?
                        By the way, Barr (yeah, I know, you think he's a lacky) did an excellent job explaining the situation between interruptions by the incredibly hostile Democrats when they would yell questions at him, not let him answer, make accusations, and even "Take as no" things he said that were nowhere near "no".
                        What they didn't allow him to do was to filibuster instead of answering the questions. Barr is well aware that the Congress has only 5 minutes to question him so all he need do is to talk gibberish for a few minutes to avoid answering the actual questions put to him. Barr and Trump make a good pair in that respect.
                        Myths 5, 6: Barr used tear gas to clear out peaceful protestors for a photo op for Trump.

                        The myth that Trump and Barr are supposedly squashing peaceful protests throughout the country also held top billing at TuesdayÂ’s hearing. One main line of this attack focused on the narrative that Barr had directed the removal of peaceful protestors, including with tear gas, from Lafayette Square in Washington, DC so Trump could walk to St. JohnÂ’s Church for a photo op.

                        “On the first day of June, the world watched in horror on live television as federal agents deployed by the administration, and with you present and telling him to get it done, used force to clear Lafayette Park so that the president, with you and others at your side, could walk across the park and have a photo op in front of St. John’s church,” one committee member charged. Rep. Pramila Jayapal repeated this claim, saying Barr had directed “federal officers to close in on the protesters and to use shields offensively as weapons, tear gas, pepper balls, irritants, explosive devices, batons and horses to clear the area just so the president could get a photo op.”

                        While Democrats refused to allow Barr to respond to the charges, Republicans provided the attorney general a chance to detail the facts. “There was unprecedented rioting right around the White House,” Barr explained. “Very violent.”

                        “During that time about 90 officers were injured. In fact, the Secret Service was so concerned it recommended the president go down to the shelter,” Barr noted. “There was a breach of the Treasury Department, the lodge—an historical building on Lafayette Park—was burned down, and St. John’s Church was set on fire,” Barr added.

                        On Monday, Barr explained, “there was total consensus that we couldn’t allow that to happen so close to the White House, that kind of rioting,” and “therefore we had to move the perimeter out one block and push it up toward I Street.” This plan had nothing to do with the president’s decision to walk to St. John’s Church, Barr explained.

                        Barr also responded to another falsehood, noting that no tear gas had been used in moving the perimeter. Rather, tear gas was used to clear the way for a fire truck to put out the fire at St. JohnÂ’s Church the previous evening.

                        To say the protest was peaceful was also not accurate: “It is a fact that the park police reported, and I saw myself projectiles being thrown from that crowd,” Barr explained, “so I did not consider them at all peaceful protesters.”
                        More lies. Even a national gaurdsman on the scene at the time of the incident called that a lie in his own testimony before Congress.

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                        • What can go wrong?


                          Mail-in voting update: Due to massive postal failures, New York will count many mailed-in ballots even if they're not postmarked by the deadline, or postmarked at all

                          A federal judge ruled Monday that approximately 1,000 absentee ballots that were not postmarked by the deadline — if they were even postmarked at all — must be counted in a New York congressional primary that still hasn't been decided after six weeks, according to The New York Times.


                          Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y) appears to have beaten challenger Suraj Patel in the Democratic primary for New York's 12th congressional district, but her current margin over Patel is only 3,700 votes, and there are more than 12,000 disputed ballots.

                          Judge Analisa Torres of Federal District Court in Manhattan ruled that 1,000 of the disputed ballots must be counted after failures by the postal service have undermined the election and delayed a final result by nearly two months.

                          https://www.theblaze.com/news/ew-yor...y-the-deadline
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            And you make the language fit the narrative.

                            There is this ONE example that keeps being used over and over to make it sound like this is some horrible standard procedure that is occurring all across the nation.

                            Meanwhile, the "peaceful protesters", the "wall of moms", the "wall of veterans".... the language makes the anarchists look like saints and the law and order look like Gestapo.

                            Why? That's the narrative.
                            In your narrative, the vast majority of the protestors are anarchists seeking to destroy things all the time. You focus on the viokencexand ignore the vast majority which are not.. Thus, the problem is your narrative isn't reality any more than the narrative you are focused on. The reality is the destroyers come out after dark after a day of peaceful protesting and they are the minority. The reality is these troops have escalated the violence by their overly agressive actions, drawing more and more normal citizens to join the protests against their brutality and the oppressive nature wrt their constitutional right to protest.

                            So, supposing the narrative these federal troops are 'completely unidentified' isnt quite true, technically they do have at least some form of identification on them. How then are you any less guilty of doing exactly the same thing you are criticizing by mischaracterizing the nature of the majority of the protests? And by not recognizing the overlyvaggressive nature of these troops?

                            And how is it ever going to be possible to get past the politcally motivated rhetoric if even those that claim commitment to the truth through Christ you, a pastor even, are willing to put forward a distorted narrative in the debate?
                            My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                            If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                            This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                            • Originally posted by seer View Post
                              What can go wrong?
                              Well, that's why Trump installed a flunky cronie as postmaster general. But the votes in question, that weren't postmarked by the 23rd, even if they all went to the challenger wouldn't be enough for him to overtake the incumbent. Sometimes there are glitches in the election process that need be ironed out, but apparently, unbeknownst to you, we've been voting by mail for a long time, seer.

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                              • Originally posted by little_monkey View Post
                                Keep throwing irrelevancies: Library or classroom, Trans or Drag Queen... the point is that your disapproval based on your so-called "common sense" is nothing but hate/ignorance.
                                Well, it's an opportunity for you to display your hate, so....
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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