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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Jim, we're having a lot of trouble with the site.
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    When you "post", wait a few seconds, and if it doesn't go through, hit F5.

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    do you have any idea what the source (I e. the entity coordinating ) of the DDoS attacks are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    do you have any idea what the source (I e. the entity coordinating ) of the DDoS attacks are?
    If I knew, I'd not be at liberty to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Good to see you, Jim.
    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Fools and Traitors are the sorts of people that would attempt to dismiss as inconsequential a proposal to undermine the Presidential election in the United States of America by the President of the US himself.

    Which are you?
    Have you stopped beating your wife?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorrinRadd View Post
    Have you stopped beating your wife?
    If I had hospital and police reports of such a beating, then the question is not the proverbial trap you are referring to. Cp, mm, and others have already made their attempts to dismiss actions taken by Trump to disrupt the November election. So they are by definition already among those who will dismiss such a destructive action by a president. The only thing then left to determine is which of the types of people willing to take such treasonous action they belong to.

    To be fair, I'm quite sure that in both cases foolish ignorance fueled by extreme hatred and/or fear of those driving certain liberal ideologies is the primary culprit. But they have allowed that hatred and/or fear to completely turn upside down their commitment to this country's well being.
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    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Cp, mm, and others have already made their attempts to dismiss actions taken by Trump to disrupt the November election. So they are by definition already among those who will dismiss such a destructive action by a president. The only thing then left to determine is which of the types of people willing to take such treasonous action they belong to.
    You think the President did all that just by asking a question in a Tweet?

    You are a the very definition of paranoid nutcase.
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    part of the problem was tweb was running low on disk space and memory. It was causing the database to crash and messing up the threads. I resized it. hopefully it will work better now. If you still see any threads that you can't access the last page on, try making a bump page using the quick reply box at the bottom of any page and that seems to reset the thread and the last page will begin working again.

    discussion of tweb messing up has been going on here:
    http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...-is-messing-up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Sorry, there are many with minds far more powerful than either yours or mine that are voicing the very same concerns. The two most significant concerns right now are the abuse of power through the DHS by mobilizing a federal Police force effectively under Trump's command through the DHS, and the consistent attempts to undermine the upcoming election, of which this latest salva is a part.

    His incompetence has been on display consistently over the last 3+ years, but never so completely as in his handling of the Coronavirus pandemic. Insanity has never been my accusation, but he is driven by and drawn to autocratic tendencies, and he has undermined our relationship with NATO significantly and WRT NATO has adopted policies that could have been written by Putin and for Putin. He has consistently tried to work his way around constitutionally driven oversight and limitations on presidential power.

    It is, unfortunately, a very real possibility that he will reject the election result if he loses and refuse to yield power to the rightful winner of the election. He certainly has set the sage for exactly such a move. Whether he can pull it off is yet to be seen. Our government is designed to prevent just exactly the sort of abuses of power Trump has engaged in throughout his presidency, and so far - because of a Republican led senate willing to compromise most of their principles - been able to get away with far more than what he should have been.

    Nevertheless, wrt trying to put off the election it seems he's hit a wall. Some republicans at least have said - this is a step too far and made clear they will not support it. This is a good thing.

    The problem is we still have to get past claims the election was compromised and a refusal to leave office, should that occur.

    Mobilizing DHS forces in US cities is in fact setting the stage for him contesting the election and refusing to leave office - you just don't have enough of an understanding of history to realize that is one of the dangers of allowing him to do what he is doing to/with the DHS.
    Nah, I think it's way more likely, based on your past history, that you're biased, emotionally unbalanced when it comes to Trump, and thus completely lacking in credibility. You are incapable of interpreting anything to do with Trump objectively. Always the worst possible take on things, and a ready willingness to believe the worst of him in every aspect, thus you uncritically swallow all sorts of half-truths and distortions about him.

    So I read your take on Trump's tweet here as the outer limits on what is even remotely possibly his intention or practice.

    But next comes the bit where you attack the character of the people who disagree with you and don't suffer from your obsessions; and then the inevitable pushback from them; and finally you whining like a baby about how mean everyone is to you, the shining moral light of TWeb.

    We've seen it all before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    You think the President did all that just by asking a question in a Tweet?

    You are a the very definition of paranoid nutcase.
    Again, those dismissing this are the usual suspects. It is far more than a tweet. This idea has been being floated now for several months, and he has doubled down on it, pushing it again yesterday. It doesn't exist in isolation either. He has been trying to undermine the election on several fronts, implying that if he loses that will mean the result is illegitimate.

    And you are too locked into your trump indeced fantasy world to understand the severity of what is happening here
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVel View Post
    Nah, I think it's way more likely, based on your past history, that you're biased, emotionally unbalanced when it comes to Trump, and thus completely lacking in credibility. You are incapable of interpreting anything to do with Trump objectively. Always the worst possible take on things, and a ready willingness to believe the worst of him in every aspect, thus you uncritically swallow all sorts of half-truths and distortions about him.

    So I read your take on Trump's tweet here as the outer limits on what is even remotely possibly his intention or practice.

    But next comes the bit where you attack the character of the people who disagree with you and don't suffer from your obsessions; and then the inevitable pushback from them; and finally you whining like a baby about how mean everyone is to you, the shining moral light of TWeb.

    We've seen it all before.
    There are many both here and writing opinion pieces in various news outlets that recognize what is happening, what Trump is doing. I am neither alone nor extreme in my concern or assessment of the situation.

    George Will is one of them.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...outputType=amp
    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 08-01-2020 at 09:45 AM.
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    There are many both here and writing opinion pieces in various news outlets that recognize what is happening, what Trump is doing. I am neither alone nor extreme in my concern or assessment of the situation.
    It's a scary world when those with paranoid delusion consider themselves the norm.

    But let's think about this logically: the China flu -- or rather the hysteria surrounding the China flu -- has shut our country down. Large gatherings are strictly forbidden (unless they are liberal riots). Normal activities like simply going to the grocery store to buy food for your family are hindered by social distancing rules and requirements to smother yourself with a mask (healthcare workers are reporting increased incidences of headaches due to constant mask use; masks reduce your oxygen intake and increase CO2 levels in your body -- maybe that's why Fauci the Fraud was recently seen with his mask draped under his chin when he thought the cameras weren't watching). Many schools are instituting a "virtual classroom" for the coming year. You can't go to a restaurant or movie theater. And on and on. So under the circumstances, with normal activities so severely restricted and with all the known and unknown problems with mail in voting, why is asking about delaying the vote until we are at a point where we can do traditional in-person voting such an extreme question?
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