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    Quote Originally Posted by Whateverman View Post
    White people started this and created the market, quite obviously.

    Most of them claimed they were Christian, just like you do.
    Well Blacks are still doing it to Blacks in Africa, and they did it before the White man created the market. You are an ignorant man...

    Slavery has historically been widespread in Africa, and still continues today in some African countries.

    Systems of servitude and slavery were common in parts of Africa in ancient times, as they were in much of the rest of the ancient world. When the Arab slave trade (which started in the 7th century) and Atlantic slave trade (which started in the 16th century) began, many of the pre-existing local African slave systems began supplying captives for slave markets outside Africa.[1]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa
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    So we really don't know.
    No I don't think we know precisely the skin tone of hominids from two hundred millenia ago. There are some studies, but they mainly suggest that human skin tone varies a lot in general.

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    As for the main thesis of the book by Robin DiAngelo I found it very interesting. I think what gets to people is that she takes a more modern sociological systems view of racism, where conservatives tend to focus on specific and very explicit actions on an individual level.

    Her whole point has also been that white people tend to get unreasonable upset when critical questions are asked, and it is suggested that we have tendencies, assumptions or biases that we might not be aware of. It's this unreasonableness that she's called 'White Fragility'.

    https://www.tolerance.org/magazine/s...robin-diangelo

    I have her book on the backburner, right now I'm reading the Oxford series on American History.

    Source: Robin DiAngelo - Tolerance Magazine

    What are some ways that white people can begin to build their emotional stamina?

    Foundationally [we] have to change our idea of what it means to be racist. As long as you define a racist as an individual who intentionally is mean, based on race, you’re going to feel defensive. When I say you’ve been shaped by a racist system—that it is inevitable that you have racist biases and patterns and investments—you’re going to feel offended by that. You will hear it as a comment on your moral character. You’re going to feel offended by that if you don’t change how you’re interpreting what I just said. And I would actually agree with anyone who felt offended when I say, “It is inevitable that you are racist,” if their definition of a racist is someone who means harm.

    When we understand racism as a system that we have been raised in and that its impact is inevitable, it’s really not a question of good or bad. It’s just, “I have it. I have been socialized into it.” And so, “What am I going to do about it?” is really the question. And that’s where, I think, maybe some guilt could come in, when you know that and you’re still not going to do anything about it. I don’t struggle with guilt because, to the best of my ability, I am trying to challenge my socialization. So, let me be really clear: As a result of being raised as a white person in this society, I have a racist worldview. I have racist biases. I have developed racist patterns as a result, and I have investments in the system of racism. It’s incredibly comfortable. It’s certainly helped me with the barriers that I do face. And I also have investments in not seeing anything I just said—because of what it would suggest to me about my identity as a good person, if I’m coming from the dominant definition, and what it would actually require of me in action. I don’t feel guilty about that, but I do feel responsible for what I do with that socialization.

    Change how you understand what it means to be racist, and then act on that understanding. Because if you change your understanding, but you don’t do anything different, then you’re colluding.

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    DiAngelo's claim is exactly the sort of thing I had in mind when I drew that parallel between intersectionality and Calvinism a few months ago. Nobody else saw merit to it at the time but her prominence illuminates what I was talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    DiAngelo's claim is exactly the sort of thing I had in mind when I drew that parallel between intersectionality and Calvinism a few months ago. Nobody else saw merit to it at the time but her prominence illuminates what I was talking about.
    Can you please reiterate or link to it here? I'm curious...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    As for the main thesis of the book by Robin DiAngelo I found it very interesting. I think what gets to people is that she takes a more modern sociological systems view of racism, where conservatives tend to focus on specific and very explicit actions on an individual level.

    Her whole point has also been that white people tend to get unreasonable upset when critical questions are asked, and it is suggested that we have tendencies, assumptions or biases that we might not be aware of. It's this unreasonableness that she's called 'White Fragility'.

    https://www.tolerance.org/magazine/s...robin-diangelo

    I have her book on the backburner, right now I'm reading the Oxford series on American History.

    Source: Robin DiAngelo - Tolerance Magazine

    What are some ways that white people can begin to build their emotional stamina?

    Foundationally [we] have to change our idea of what it means to be racist. As long as you define a racist as an individual who intentionally is mean, based on race, you’re going to feel defensive. When I say you’ve been shaped by a racist system—that it is inevitable that you have racist biases and patterns and investments—you’re going to feel offended by that. You will hear it as a comment on your moral character. You’re going to feel offended by that if you don’t change how you’re interpreting what I just said. And I would actually agree with anyone who felt offended when I say, “It is inevitable that you are racist,” if their definition of a racist is someone who means harm.

    When we understand racism as a system that we have been raised in and that its impact is inevitable, it’s really not a question of good or bad. It’s just, “I have it. I have been socialized into it.” And so, “What am I going to do about it?” is really the question. And that’s where, I think, maybe some guilt could come in, when you know that and you’re still not going to do anything about it. I don’t struggle with guilt because, to the best of my ability, I am trying to challenge my socialization. So, let me be really clear: As a result of being raised as a white person in this society, I have a racist worldview. I have racist biases. I have developed racist patterns as a result, and I have investments in the system of racism. It’s incredibly comfortable. It’s certainly helped me with the barriers that I do face. And I also have investments in not seeing anything I just said—because of what it would suggest to me about my identity as a good person, if I’m coming from the dominant definition, and what it would actually require of me in action. I don’t feel guilty about that, but I do feel responsible for what I do with that socialization.

    Change how you understand what it means to be racist, and then act on that understanding. Because if you change your understanding, but you don’t do anything different, then you’re colluding.

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    Basically it is just a method to shut up any protests against the main theory of White Privilege and racism

    1. White people are all racist because of white privilege
    2. No we aren't! That's stupid. I reject that whole theory.
    3. Ah! White Fragility! That confirms your racism and that I am right!

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    I suggested to somebody some time ago that, based on the studies of mitochondrial DNA, that the mitochondiral "Eve" was probably black, despite all the Sunday School pictures that show Adam and Eve as white European, about in their early twenties. The person didn't like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whateverman View Post
    Can you please reiterate or link to it here? I'm curious...
    http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post571676
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Basically it is just a method to shut up any protests against the main theory of White Privilege and racism

    1. White people are all racist because of white privilege
    2. No we aren't! That's stupid. I reject that whole theory.
    3. Ah! White Fragility! That confirms your racism and that I am right!
    Right you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whateverman View Post
    You were the first person in this thread to warn people about a race war. Are you a member of the Marxist left?
    No, I'm just rational and when you accuse a whole race of something that is not only racist it will not end well.
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