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    The Biblical Big Bang

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    The Hebrew verb translated “created” in Isaiah 42:5 is bara’ which has as its primary definition “bringing into existence something new, something that did not exist before.”7 The proclamation that God created (bara’) the entirety of the heavens is stated seven times in the Old Testament. (Genesis 1:1; 2:3; 2:4; Psalm 148:5; Isaiah 40:26; 42:5; 45:18). This principle of transcendent creation is made more explicit by passages like Hebrews 11:3 which states that the universe that we humans can measure and detect was made out of that which we cannot measure or detect.

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    The characteristic of the universe stated more frequently than any other in the Bible is its being “stretched out.” Five different Bible authors pen such a statement in eleven different verses: Job 9:8; Psalm 104:2; Isaiah 40:22; 42:5; 44:24; 45:12; 48:13; 51:13; Jeremiah 10:12; 51:15; and Zechariah 12:1.

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    So the universe was created from nothing, and is continually expanding, is the Biblical view.

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    Much of the initial opposition to the Big Bang theory from some scientists was that it too closely resembled what is written in Genesis.

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    Heard there was a lot of electromagnetic radiation going on too! The cosmic microwave background radiation is light from the big bang, right? And only God knows what happened in the first planck time!
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee_merrill View Post
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    The Hebrew verb translated “created” in Isaiah 42:5 is bara’ which has as its primary definition “bringing into existence something new, something that did not exist before.”7 The proclamation that God created (bara’) the entirety of the heavens is stated seven times in the Old Testament. (Genesis 1:1; 2:3; 2:4; Psalm 148:5; Isaiah 40:26; 42:5; 45:18). This principle of transcendent creation is made more explicit by passages like Hebrews 11:3 which states that the universe that we humans can measure and detect was made out of that which we cannot measure or detect.

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    The characteristic of the universe stated more frequently than any other in the Bible is its being “stretched out.” Five different Bible authors pen such a statement in eleven different verses: Job 9:8; Psalm 104:2; Isaiah 40:22; 42:5; 44:24; 45:12; 48:13; 51:13; Jeremiah 10:12; 51:15; and Zechariah 12:1.

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    So the universe was created from nothing, and is continually expanding, is the Biblical view.
    And just as scientists reserve the right to change their minds about the big bang as new evidence comes to light, bible believers reserve the right to reinterpret the text as necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee_merrill View Post
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    The Hebrew verb translated “created” in Isaiah 42:5 is bara’ which has as its primary definition “bringing into existence something new, something that did not exist before.”7 The proclamation that God created (bara’) the entirety of the heavens is stated seven times in the Old Testament. (Genesis 1:1; 2:3; 2:4; Psalm 148:5; Isaiah 40:26; 42:5; 45:18). This principle of transcendent creation is made more explicit by passages like Hebrews 11:3 which states that the universe that we humans can measure and detect was made out of that which we cannot measure or detect.

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    The characteristic of the universe stated more frequently than any other in the Bible is its being “stretched out.” Five different Bible authors pen such a statement in eleven different verses: Job 9:8; Psalm 104:2; Isaiah 40:22; 42:5; 44:24; 45:12; 48:13; 51:13; Jeremiah 10:12; 51:15; and Zechariah 12:1.

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    So the universe was created from nothing, and is continually expanding, is the Biblical view.

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    But does bara' necessarily imply creation ex nihil? If yes, why this is so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeker View Post
    But does bara' necessarily imply creation ex nihil? If yes, why this is so?
    It cannot imply ex nihilo because it does not start with nothing. It starts with God, so unless God is nothing, then it cannot be creation ex nihilo. At best is can be creation from nothing plus God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rossum View Post
    It cannot imply ex nihilo because it does not start with nothing. It starts with God, so unless God is nothing, then it cannot be creation ex nihilo. At best is can be creation from nothing plus God.
    Agreed, while not forgetting the contradictory account found in Genesis 2!

    However, Genesis 1 makes it clear that the original state of the universe is a watery chaos and hence not creation ex nihilo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
    Genesis 1 makes it clear that the original state of the universe is a watery chaos and hence not creation ex nihilo.
    Actually, "the heavens and the earth" is the Hebrew way to say "the universe". So the earth, and the state of it being a watery chaos, is included in "in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."

    Quote Originally Posted by Seeker
    But does bara' necessarily imply creation ex nihil? If yes, why this is so?
    It often means creation from nothing, but not always. The clearest verse about creation from nothing is Hebrews 11:3:

    "By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible." (Heb. 11:3)

    Quote Originally Posted by Rossum
    At best is can be creation from nothing plus God.
    Well, yes, it is assumed that God is eternally existent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee_merrill View Post
    Actually, "the heavens and the earth" is the Hebrew way to say "the universe". So the earth, and the state of it being a watery chaos, is included in "in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."
    But not ex nihilo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rossum View Post
    It cannot imply ex nihilo because it does not start with nothing. It starts with God, so unless God is nothing, then it cannot be creation ex nihilo. At best is can be creation from nothing plus God.
    Unless god created the universe out of himself, then he created it ex nihilo.

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