Pastor Defies State Orders...

[mikewhitney]

It is far sadder that the evangelical church, for the most part, has taken up social justice and kowtowing to Caesar and NOT preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ.

If you are part of that, then shame on you.

We know the governors' overreach when we see that casinos can be opened but churches cannot meet under the same terms. The governors have shown total disregard for godliness by denying any practical "accommodations" to worship (as if the governors actually have any say over church meetings). A church building that can seat 4000 could readily accept 1000 and still do distancing -- if distancing were actually needed. But they keep doing arbitrary limits of numbers such as 100.

[oxmixmudd]

It is far sadder that the evangelical church, for the most part, has taken up social justice and kowtowing to Caesar and NOT preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ.

If you are part of that, then shame on you.

Preaching the gospel and a respect for wisdom and science are not mutually exclusive mossrose. Unfortunately many in the US evangelical church do not understand that simple reality.

And actually, that is not the problem. The problem is the misconception that the conclusions of science are a threat to faith. What they are a threat to is ignorance, not faith. Unfortunately, sometimes people get the two entwined in such a way they can't remedy the ignorance without simultaneously killing their capacity for faith.

[whag]

What are you talking about, whag? How is anybody lying to young people about who they are?

MacArthur and you take the Bible literally, teaching children and new Christians that evolution is a lie. In fact, we are primates. This destroys them when they eventually encounter educated skeptics who embarrass them with scientific facts. You’re literally creating future skeptics and don’t even realize it.

The Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians largely accepted these facts.

[mossrose]

Preaching the gospel and a respect for wisdom and science are not mutually exclusive mossrose. Unfortunately many in the US evangelical church do not understand that simple reality.

And actually, that is not the problem. The problem is the misconception that the conclusions of science are a threat to faith. What they are a threat to is ignorance, not faith. Unfortunately, sometimes people get the two entwined in such a way they can't remedy the ignorance without simultaneously killing their capacity for faith.

And so many times "Christians" take their faith in science too far until it becomes a replacement for God. Science has it's place, but is far from perfect, as I'm sure you will agree, but God IS perfect, and I will lean on His sovereignty before I believe in most of what science tries to tell us these days.

Now, I'm pretty much done here. You all can go ahead and attack MacArthur for taking a stand for God's command to gather together, and you can all continue to live in fear without regard for His hand in your lives. MacArthur, nor God, need me to defend them.

[Terraceth]

The horror of abortion pales in comparison to MacArthur’s wicked belief that God tortures babies he predestined to Hell.

You may have missed my previous post replying to when you said this, so I'll post it again:

John MacArthur is also a Calvinist who believes unelected babies go to Hell:

https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-...lection-part-1

Where doe he say that on that page? I confess I confess I only skimmed through the sermon, but I did use the browser's search function to look for "infant," "baby," and "babies" and no matches turn up.

...I also just noticed that I made two typos in there, writing "doe" instead of "does" and writing "I confess" twice. Whoops. Still, I don't see where in the link you posted he confirmed the belief you said he had.

[One Bad Pig]

MacArthur and you take the Bible literally, teaching children and new Christians that evolution is a lie. In fact, we are primates. This destroys them when they eventually encounter educated skeptics who embarrass them with scientific facts. You’re literally creating future skeptics and don’t even realize it.

The Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians largely accepted these facts.

Speak for yourself, champ.

[Whateverman]

And so many times "Christians" take their faith in science too far until it becomes a replacement for God.

In my 50+ years of life on this planet, I've never seen this happen once. Not to anyone I've ever known or met, and not to anyone I've ever heard or read about.

No Christian believes or treats science as a replacement for God.

Any claim to the contrary is most likely just a cheap justification for a refusal to self-reflect.

[Leonhard]

As long as Christian sects that teaches Young Earth Creationism or Geocentrism do it in the context of a Christian service, but otherwise let their children enjoy full access to a science and evidence based education I have no bones to pick with them.

[DesertBerean]

If nobody wants to talk about governors and opening churches, I'm gonna take my hand sanitizers and go home.

[Whateverman]

As long as Christian sects that teaches Young Earth Creationism or Geocentrism do it in the context of a Christian service, but otherwise let their children enjoy full access to a science and evidence based education I have no bones to pick with them.

You need to remember that Christianity has been politicized here in the US. American Christians are largely (though not universally) conservative Republicans, and while this by itself isn't necessarily bad - it means that politics and religion and culture are all co-mingled.

In this environment, YEC's not limited to church services, or to Christian literature/media. It's debated online in blogs and forums, pushed (less frequently now) into public school systems, mixed with political rhetoric in the endless culture wars, etc. I've seen Christians argue that it justifies voting against things like environmental bills (though the specific logic escapes me at the moment).

In other words, YEC is rarely limited to church services here.

Sure, there may be some YECs who are more successful at compartmentalization than others. Nonetheless, it's a rarity here

In my humble opinion.

[NorrinRadd]

If nobody wants to talk about governors and opening churches, I'm gonna take my hand sanitizers and go home.

Make sure they're not among these 100 or so.

[seer]

I didn't say that they were forced to come, but only that the pastor is being irresponsible for encouraging them to go, to not wear masks or socially distance, in complete disregard for the parishioners health and the further spread of the virus into the community.

This is the problem Jim, California is allowing protests where thousands march shoulder to shoulder yell and scream and more often than not without masks. But they shut down churches - does that sound right to you?

[Sparko]

The issue is that such a position is anti-science. Which plays strongly into why he is foolishly subjecting his parishioners to unnecessary danger by encouraging them to meet together in a space and a manner that is the most likely to create a super-spreader event.

Keep in mind that by doing so, he makes that Church a mortal thread to the surrounding community. I do not understand why a Church would want to engage in activity that is a potentially mortal threat to the community around them. That is the exact opposite of what we are called to be. And need I say backlash from that same community is inevitable.

Church goer: "We really care about you, we really do".

Community member" "They why are you making us sick and killing us?"

Why don't we hear such objections to the "peaceful protests" all over the country? Or the very crowded public funerals that have been televised? Like Floyd's and Congressman Lewis's?

[Sparko]

MacArthur and you take the Bible literally, teaching children and new Christians that evolution is a lie. In fact, we are primates. This destroys them when they eventually encounter educated skeptics who embarrass them with scientific facts. You’re literally creating future skeptics and don’t even realize it.

The Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians largely accepted these facts.

um Don't you believe everything Christians believe is a lie? Why does that one single thing seem to bother you so much over everything else? Mossy is right, you are obsessed and it is kinda creepy the way you keep harping on it with her.

[seer]

MacArthur and you take the Bible literally, teaching children and new Christians that evolution is a lie. In fact, we are primates. This destroys them when they eventually encounter educated skeptics who embarrass them with scientific facts. You’re literally creating future skeptics and don’t even realize it.

The Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians largely accepted these facts.

Well teaching YEC can't be worse than this:

Math education prof says using '2+2=4' to show math's objectivity 'reeks of white supremacist patriarchy' — and gets dragged for it

A math education professor said that using the phrase "2+2=4" to demonstrate the objectivity and neutrality of mathematics "reeks of white supremacist patriarchy."

"The idea that math (or data) is culturally neutral or in any way objective is a MYTH," Laurie Rubel of Brooklyn College tweeted a week ago. "I'm ready to move on with that understanding. who's coming with me?"

https://www.theblaze.com/news/math-e...dragged-for-it