Why Won't White Liberals Give Up Their Homes?

[seer]

To deserving black folk? It is the least they can do...

Group of Seattle rioters scream at white residents: 'Give up your house! Give black people back their homes!'

https://www.theblaze.com/news/violen...ck-their-homes

[KingsGambit]

The rhetoric around where white people should live confuses me.

A black person I knew in college posted a rant on Facebook the other day about how the act of living in suburb is a form of looting because they are benefiting from the cultural benefits of living in a metro area without paying the taxes. That, and it's based on white flight.

Yet they also posted recently about how white people living in black neighborhoods is gentrification and forcing black people out.

So what are you supposed to do? If you move in, it's gentrification; if you move out, it's white flight. Do you just live far away from the city in a small town? I don't have time for explicit calls for segregation.

[seer]

The rhetoric around where white people should live confuses me.

A black person I knew in college posted a rant on Facebook the other day about how the act of living in suburb is a form of looting because they are benefiting from the cultural benefits of living in a metro area without paying the taxes. That, and it's based on white flight.

Yet they also posted recently about how white people living in black neighborhoods is gentrification and forcing black people out.

So what are you supposed to do? If you move in, it's gentrification; if you move out, it's white flight. Do you just live far away from the city in a small town? I don't have time for explicit calls for segregation.

You can't win, you are white, nothing that you do is right...

[rogue06]

The rhetoric around where white people should live confuses me.

A black person I knew in college posted a rant on Facebook the other day about how the act of living in suburb is a form of looting because they are benefiting from the cultural benefits of living in a metro area without paying the taxes. That, and it's based on white flight.

Yet they also posted recently about how white people living in black neighborhoods is gentrification and forcing black people out.

So what are you supposed to do? If you move in, it's gentrification; if you move out, it's white flight. Do you just live far away from the city in a small town? I don't have time for explicit calls for segregation.

Such contradictory complaints are par for the course here.

For instance, for the past several decades you'd have self-appointed community activists protesting the police presence in their community saying that residents were uncomfortable with and intimidated by their presence, which resulted in those neighborhoods being patrolled less often.

Then the same activists would start complaining that their community wasn't receiving the same amount of patrols as white communities did and this was obviously because they're racist. This would then result in an increase in police patrols.

Guess what happened next. Yup. The same cast of characters would again start complaining that there were too many police patrolling the neighborhoods. And that cycle would repeat over and over for years and years.

[KingsGambit]

Such contradictory complaints are par for the course here.

For instance, for the past several decades you'd have self-appointed community activists protesting the police presence in their community saying that residents were uncomfortable with and intimidated by their presence, which resulted in those neighborhoods being patrolled less often.

Then the same activists would start complaining that their community wasn't receiving the same amount of patrols as white communities did and this was obviously because they're racist. This would then result in an increase in police patrols.

Guess what happened next. Yup. The same cast of characters would again start complaining that there were too many police patrolling the neighborhoods. And that cycle would repeat over and over for years and years.

I don't think it's uncharitable to call it for what it is - segregationism.

[Leonhard]

A black person I knew in college posted a rant on Facebook the other day about how the act of living in suburb is a form of looting because they are benefiting from the cultural benefits of living in a metro area without paying the taxes. That, and it's based on white flight.

Are taxes only local to a city? I might not understand how American taxes work, but shouldn't tax income be used where it is needed?

[KingsGambit]

Are taxes only local to a city? I might not understand how American taxes work, but shouldn't tax income be used where it is needed?

There are city taxes, state taxes, national taxes. Suburbs usually have significantly lower tax rates than cities (though anybody who visits the city is going to be paying sales tax there, usually at a fairly high rate.)

[rogue06]

There are city taxes, state taxes, national taxes. Suburbs usually have significantly lower tax rates than cities (though anybody who visits the city is going to be paying sales tax there, usually at a fairly high rate.)

Then there are commuter taxes which often result in businesses relocating to the suburbs. One of those unforeseen unintended consequences again.

[KingsGambit]

In fairness, some suburbs were specifically crafted with land covenants to keep black people out (the affluent suburb Leawood, Kansas is one such example), so criticism of the suburban setup is not without basis from a racial perspective. None of these laws are still on the books today, though.

[Leonhard]

In fairness, some suburbs were specifically crafted with land covenants to keep black people out (the affluent suburb Leawood, Kansas is one such example), so criticism of the suburban setup is not without basis from a racial perspective. None of these laws are still on the books today, though.

Looked it up. Yikes. Thankfully they were made illegal more than fifty years ago.

[Faber]

Looked it up. Yikes. Thankfully they were made illegal more than fifty years ago.

I've seen plenty of deeds in south Jersey with that clause. Another clause is setting a minimum value on any proposed building to be constructed on the site, thus limiting the buyer to being an an affluent (meaning white) member of society.

[Starlight]

In fairness, some suburbs were specifically crafted with land covenants to keep black people out (the affluent suburb Leawood, Kansas is one such example), so criticism of the suburban setup is not without basis from a racial perspective. None of these laws are still on the books today, though.

One historian I saw in an interview was arguing that if you trace the historical wealth differences in the US between blacks and whites, the biggest shift contributing to modern black poverty had to do to with the race-based rules around moving whites into suburbs in the mid-20th century. Cheap houses in the suburbs (which then went up in value) were given out to white families but not black ones.

[Sparko]

There are city taxes, state taxes, national taxes. Suburbs usually have significantly lower tax rates than cities (though anybody who visits the city is going to be paying sales tax there, usually at a fairly high rate.)

Most places will charge you the local taxes where you work and where you live. I am charged city taxes because of where I work, and county taxes where I live. There is no escaping taxes.

[Stoic]

One historian I saw in an interview was arguing that if you trace the historical wealth differences in the US between blacks and whites, the biggest shift contributing to modern black poverty had to do to with the race-based rules around moving whites into suburbs in the mid-20th century. Cheap houses in the suburbs (which then went up in value) were given out to white families but not black ones.

One component of that was the G.I. Bill, which almost exclusively benefited whites.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa..._the_G.I._Bill

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

One historian I saw in an interview was arguing that if you trace the historical wealth differences in the US between blacks and whites, the biggest shift contributing to modern black poverty had to do to with the race-based rules around moving whites into suburbs in the mid-20th century. Cheap houses in the suburbs (which then went up in value) were given out to white families but not black ones.

In her autobiography Michelle Obama recalls a horrible incident when her parents took her and her brother to visit friends [the Stewarts] who had moved out of the city.

She writes:

I don’t remember much about Mr. Stewart, except that he drove a delivery truck for one of the big bakery companies in the city and that he and his wife and their kids were the lightest-skinned black people I’d ever met. How they afforded a place in the suburbs, I couldn’t guess. Park Forest, it turns out, was one of America’s first fully planned communities—not just a housing subdivision, but a full village designed for about thirty thousand people, with shopping malls, churches, schools, and parks. Founded in 1948, it was, in many ways, meant to be the paragon of suburban life, with mass-produced houses and cookie-cutter yards. There were also quotas for how many black families could live on a given block, though by the time the Stewarts got there, the quotas had apparently been abolished.


She then recounts what happened when she, her brother and her parents came to leave visiting their friends.

Was somebody watching through a window as my father approached our car that night? Was there a shadow behind some curtain, waiting to see how things would go? I’ll never know. I just remember the way my dad’s body stiffened slightly when he reached the driver’s side door and saw what was there. Someone had scratched a line across the side of his beloved Buick, a thin ugly gulch that ran across the door and toward the tail of the car. It had been done with a key or a rock and was in no way accidental.