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  • Do you believe that people who say that the Bible forbids public nudity are teaching the doctrines of men? That is, they have zero biblical warrant from the New Covenant that affirms their position?

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    • Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
      Do you believe that people who say that the Bible forbids public nudity are teaching the doctrines of men? That is, they have zero biblical warrant from the New Covenant that affirms their position?
      I regard it as a matter "adiaphora" and covered by the prohibition placed on passing judgement with regard to special days, feasts etc.
      That is, let each do as his own conscience permits or dictates without attempting to force his views on another.
      As long as no-one tries to declare that his own view is right and the opposing view wrong, everything is sweet.
      1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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      Scripture before Tradition:
      but that won't prevent others from
      taking it upon themselves to deprive you
      of the right to call yourself Christian.

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      • My view is right because there is no prohibition against it.

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        • Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
          My view is right because there is no prohibition against it.
          There's no prohibition against prayer to the saints, therefore my view is right! I'm guessing you won't accept that argument, however.
          Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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          • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
            There's no prohibition against prayer to the saints, therefore my view is right! I'm guessing you won't accept that argument, however.
            I'm thinking that an honest statement would have read more as "my view is right because it is my view, and if the facts say otherwise, the facts are wrong."
            1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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            Scripture before Tradition:
            but that won't prevent others from
            taking it upon themselves to deprive you
            of the right to call yourself Christian.

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            • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
              There's no prohibition against prayer to the saints, therefore my view is right! I'm guessing you won't accept that argument, however.
              Yes there is. Prayer is worship and God alone is to be worshiped. (Luke 4:8)

              This argument of yours was already attempted in Post #273.
              http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...ng-Mary/page28

              It didn't work there nor will it work here.

              Plus the fact I can cite at least one passage where public nudity took place and God approved it.
              Guess how many passage you can cite that God gives the ok to pray to created beings?
              ---> Zero.
              Last edited by foudroyant; 08-01-2014, 09:28 AM.

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              • Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                Yes there is. Prayer is worship and God alone is to be worshiped. (Luke 4:8)

                This argument of yours was already attempted in Post #273.
                http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...ng-Mary/page28

                It didn't work there nor will it work here.

                Plus the fact I can cite at least one passage where public nudity took place and God approved it.
                Guess how many passage you can cite that God gives the ok to pray to created beings?
                ---> Zero.
                I am now wondering which part of the Bible declares prayer to be worship. Doesn't seem to be any such reference in any Bible that I have access to.
                Maybe in the gospel according to Mounce, or TDNT or whoever.
                1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                Scripture before Tradition:
                but that won't prevent others from
                taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                of the right to call yourself Christian.

                ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                  I am now wondering which part of the Bible declares prayer to be worship. Doesn't seem to be any such reference in any Bible that I have access to.
                  Maybe in the gospel according to Mounce, or TDNT or whoever.
                  It's okay. He can't cite where God approves of general nudity either. Maybe he thinks he's a prophet.
                  Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                  Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                  I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                  • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                    I am now wondering which part of the Bible declares prayer to be worship. Doesn't seem to be any such reference in any Bible that I have access to.
                    Maybe in the gospel according to Mounce, or TDNT or whoever.
                    Every passage where prayer takes place is worship.
                    Next time get a Bible with all 66 books in it.

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                    • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                      It's okay. He can't cite where God approves of general nudity either. Maybe he thinks he's a prophet.

                      There is no command against it.

                      Furthermore, Leviticus 14-17 and 22 and Numbers 19 offer more than twenty commands from God to bathe. This is when Israel was still living in tents. More than a million people travel for years in a barren desert living in tents - no private bathrooms or bathing facilities except rivers, lakes and small pools of water.
                      Isaiah did it, King Saul did it, Bathsheeba did it where at least one other person (a male) saw her but she was never condemned for doing it.

                      Zero passages presented by you (or anyone else) that forbids it.

                      Great job in believing in something with no proof.

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                      • Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                        There is no command against it.

                        Furthermore, Leviticus 14-17 and 22 and Numbers 19 offer more than twenty commands from God to bathe. This is when Israel was still living in tents. More than a million people travel for years in a barren desert living in tents - no private bathrooms or bathing facilities except rivers, lakes and small pools of water.
                        Perhaps you've heard of segregation by sex? Further, you don't have to uncover a whole lot - if anything at all - to excrete waste when you're wearing a loose robe. Lastly, you've failed to state how periodic nudity for necessary functions makes continual nudity somehow okay. The very idiom of "uncovering nakedness" as a euphemism for sexual intercourse should tell you that nudity was certainly not the norm.
                        Isaiah did it, King Saul did it,
                        Are you a prophet, now?

                        Further, Isaiah's nakedness is clearly connected with shame:
                        Source: Isaiah 20:3-4 NKJV

                        3 Then the Lord said, “Just as My servant Isaiah has walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and a wonder against Egypt and Ethiopia, [sup4[/sup] so shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians as prisoners and the Ethiopians as captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, with their buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt.

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                        Also, Saul's nakedness was clearly unexpected to those who saw him.
                        Bathsheeba did it where at least one other person (a male) saw her but she was never condemned for doing it.
                        In the cultural context, condemnation would've been superfluous; any woman deliberately uncovering herself before a man was inviting sexual intercourse.
                        Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                        Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                        I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                        • Still not one command against it.
                          You cited a total of zero passages that forbid public nudity.

                          Prove that Saul's nakedness was unexpected.

                          Bathsheeba...still a grand total of zero passages.

                          Way to go Mr. Zero.

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                          • Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                            Still not one command against it.
                            You cited a total of zero passages that forbid public nudity.

                            Prove that Saul's nakedness was unexpected.

                            Bathsheeba...still a grand total of zero passages.

                            Way to go Mr. Zero.
                            I've cited exactly as many passages that forbid it as you've cited that commend it.
                            Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                            Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                            I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                            • Then it falls under Christian liberty.

                              You didn't demonstrate that King Saul's nudity was unexpected...you're too busy sticking that thumb up somewhere it doesn't belong.

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                              • Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                                Then it falls under Christian liberty.
                                Christianity obligates one to clothe the naked (Matt. 25:36-43). Public nakedness is associated with captivity (Is. 20:4), shame (Mic 1:11, Nah 3:5), drunkenness (Gen. 9:21, Lam. 4:21, Hab. 2:15), destitution (Job 24:10, Is. 58:7, Ez. 16:39, Ez. 18:7), harlotry (Ez. 16:36-7, 23:18, 23:29), demon possession (Luke 8:27, Acts 19:16), frightened flight (Amos 2:16, Mark 14:52), etc. Yet you somehow think there's nothing wrong with it.
                                You didn't demonstrate that King Saul's nudity was unexpected...you're too busy sticking that thumb up somewhere it doesn't belong.
                                What, no push-back about Isaiah? Your prurient aspersion about my personal habits is duly noted.
                                Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                                Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                                I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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