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    Hunger and thirst can be temporarily preferred states.
    People fast. Thus they choose to go hungry.
    People can exercise quite strenuously knowing and choosing that they will experience thirst.
    A person at the time of their choosing can go without clothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foudroyant View Post
    Hunger and thirst can be temporarily preferred states.
    People fast. Thus they choose to go hungry.
    People can exercise quite strenuously knowing and choosing that they will experience thirst.
    A person at the time of their choosing can go without clothing.
    Now you're being silly. No one likes to be hungry or thirsty. They can choose to be so because they're willing to be uncomfortable in pursuit of some other goal, but it is not a comfortable state.

    Children do not care about nudity because they're not sexually aware. Adults, on the other hand, are almost certainly going to have their thoughts wander in that direction when seeing nudity. Are you really that big an egotist to allege that your right to parade in the buff is worth leading others into temptation? Thoughts are no less sinful than actions, after all (Mat. 5:28).
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    I often choose to be hungry and/or thirsty if am enjoying doing something that might cause me to be that way.

    The thoughts of adults who are gluttons can wander if they see delicious food. Do we forbid delicious food?
    The thoughts of adults can wonder if they see a lot of money. Do we forbid the printing of money?
    Joseph was handsome (Genesis 39:6) but dressed and Potiphar's wife lusted after him (Genesis 39:7). Should we forbid people getting dressed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by foudroyant View Post
    I often choose to be hungry and/or thirsty if am enjoying doing something that might cause me to be that way.

    The thoughts of adults who are gluttons can wander if they see delicious food. Do we forbid delicious food?
    The thoughts of adults can wonder if they see a lot of money. Do we forbid the printing of money?
    Joseph was handsome (Genesis 39:6) but dressed and Potiphar's wife lusted after him (Genesis 39:7). Should we forbid people getting dressed?
    Thank you for showing that you're willing to twist logic at any length in an attempt to justify yourself. I think my work here is done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foudroyant View Post
    While coming very close to being a Christian Nudist I am wondering what standards those that don't believe in it employ in determining several areas when it comes to the nudity/clothing issue:

    1. Do you think it is ok for women to wear shorts and/or skirts? Is a certain length unacceptable?
    2. Is it ok for a women to go to the beach in a bikini? What about a one piece suit? Or should they not go at all? Should they swim fully clothed? Are sports bras unacceptable?
    3. Is it ok for a man to walk around shirtless? What if he is exercising?... or doing laborious outside work? What if the temperature is soaring? - Why is it often ok for a man to be shirtless in public but not ok for a woman to be shirtless in public?
    4. Do you think it is ok or wrong for a woman to breastfeed their baby in public? Should they fully cover themselves up?
    5. Is the statue of Michelangelo "David" offensive? Why/why not? - If not, then why would it be offensive if men walked around undressed like that?

    I think perhaps the only thing right now that keeps me from totally embracing Christian Nudism is that I wouldn't want to sit in places where a fully nude person was previously sitting. I think that would be skeevy.
    We have a moral basis for wearing clothes [in Genesis] because of what sin has done to nakedness. It corrupted and distorted it.
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