Public school sex abuse said worse than Catholic scandal

[The Laughing Man]

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Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church[/url]]

Now, on the heels of the Catholic abuse scandal comes another of historic proportions—one that has the potential to be much greater and far-reaching. According to a draft report commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education, in compliance with the 2002 "No Child Left Behind" act signed into law by President Bush, between 6 percent and 10 percent of public school children across the country have been sexually abused or harassed by school employees and teachers.

Charol Shakeshaft, the Hofstra University scholar who prepared the report, said the number of abuse cases—which range from unwanted sexual comments to rape—could be much higher.

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[BeHereNow]

Between six and ten percent? That's insanity. In an average class of 30 students, that means about 2 or 3 have been sexually abused. If it's true, that's very sad... I think the reason more people are shocked with the Catholic priest molestation, though, is the inherent irony therein. A priest should be the exact opposite of a child molestor, and besides molesting, he's also preaching morals to people.

[Bill Mutz]

Okay, if we're including unwanted sexual remarks then no wonder it's so high up there. I never encountered or heard of any such thing, and unlike the rest of you old farts it hasn't been terribly long since I escaped from the Alcatrazesque institution. Are we speaking of the total number of complaints filed, or are we speaking strictly of fully substantiated reports?

[Bob Jenkins]

[url=www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/archives2/2004a/032604/032604j.htm]From the National Catholic Reporter[/url

She [Shakeshaft] estimates that 9.6 percent of all students in grades 8-11 reported sexual harassment by teachers, coaches, or other school employees. That included sexual remarks, jokes or gestures. About 6.7 percent of students reported harassment involving physical contact.

[CatholicSage]

6.7% for actualy physical contact is ridiculous. I really find that very hard to believe, but I suppose if it is true then it is all beneath the surface of the pleasant facade.

[Bill Mutz]

Gee, thanks LS. I now have partially chewed Bugles all over the place.

[elysian]

Gee, thanks LS. I now have partially chewed Bugles all over the place.

'Cause I spew out my nose as well as my mouth, and it burns.

My high school was a living hell, and I graduated in 1986. (yeah, it's been awhile!) I was never abused by teachers although I think a few of them were mental or worse (who wouldn't be mental working in such a hell hole)...but fellow students is a whole different story!

Let's see:

Used prophylactic placed in my book bag...ewwwww
Gratuitous grabbing at private areas (backside and chest area) in the hallway almost daily
Filthy graffiti w/ sexual overtones painted on my car, twice, in the school parking lot
Filthy comments and requests for oral and/or group sex, almost daily

Today that would be called "sexual harassment" but back then it was called "boys will be boys."

One of the wrestling coaches at my high school got fired for getting a cheerleader pregnant- she got an abortion and he got a job in another state. The RCC aren't the only ones who have covered up their indiscretions in such a way.

[The Laughing Man]

Between six and ten percent? That's insanity. In an average class of 30 students, that means about 2 or 3 have been sexually abused. If it's true, that's very sad... I think the reason more people are shocked with the Catholic priest molestation, though, is the inherent irony therein. A priest should be the exact opposite of a child molestor, and besides molesting, he's also preaching morals to people.

You don't think teachers preach morals? You don't think teachers should be the exact opposite of a child molester? If anything, teachers should be held to a higher standard than priests as they have greater access to more children.

[Busheses]

You don't think teachers preach morals? You don't think teachers should be the exact opposite of a child molester? If anything, teachers should be held to a higher standard than priests as they have greater access to more children.

Just what the heck are you talking about Jinx?? Teachers held to a higher standard than priests??? What's next, convicted felons held to a higher standard than priests?

[Bill Mutz]

Sounds like a good idea to me!

[elysian]

Just what the heck are you talking about Jinx?? Teachers held to a higher standard than priests??? What's next, convicted felons held to a higher standard than priests?

Yeah, I wonder if some of my high school teachers were convicted felons, and if they weren't was it only because they weren't caught?

In all fairness though, I had some excellent and inspired teachers as well as a few self-professed draft dodgers and just plain psychos.

Unfortunately in public schools in Ohio a teacher who has been there a few years can't be fired save by committing a felony. (thank our forced unionism laws for that...but I digress) So the mediocre and poor teachers have just as much job security as the excellent ones. It makes me sad that the better ones are not rewarded for their excellence.

[The Laughing Man]

Just what the heck are you talking about Jinx?? Teachers held to a higher standard than priests???

Why not? By and large, priests have far less access to far less children than do teachers. And if this report says anything, it says I'm right on this point.

What's next, convicted felons held to a higher standard than priests?

That's just too stupid and reactionary to comment on.

[Bob Jenkins]

Why not? By and large, priests have far less access to far less children than do teachers. And if this report says anything, it says I'm right on this point.

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I guess, in light of that observation, Jinx, they must try harder.

[Busheses]

Why not? By and large, priests have far less access to far less children than do teachers. And if this report says anything, it says I'm right on this point.



That's just too stupid and reactionary to comment on.

The number of children they havae access to should be besides the point Jinx. Priests are seen as representatives of God on Earth, teachers are not, therefore they should behave in such a way that glorifies God in every single way instead of bringing shame to His Glorious Name. Priests are supposed to be celibate to begin with. Do you get the point???

[The Laughing Man]

The number of children they havae access to should be besides the point Jinx.

No, actually, it's not. Greater access to more children = greater chance for abuse.

Priests are seen as representatives of God on Earth,

Are they? So they are the same as angels, then?

teachers are not,

Indeed. Teachers aren't even expected to follow the Bible. All the more reason to hold them to a higher standard.

therefore they should behave in such a way that glorifies God in every single way instead of bringing shame to His Glorious Name.

Again, teachers aren't expected to believe in or follow such a thing from day one, so again, more reason for hold them to a higher standard.

Priests are supposed to be celibate to begin with.

And teachers are supposed to not sexually abuse their students.

Do you get the point???

Yes, but you seem off the mark.