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[tabibito]

There are very rare circumstances that will naturally produce an XY female or an XX male. It only takes for a single (or is it two?) genes to not trigger when they should, or to trigger when they shouldn't, to produce a person of gender that doesn't conform to what would be expected from the relevant chromosomes. So - an XY female who also for weird reasons became (not theoretically impossible) self fertilising might produce a male child. Also - an XX female who became self fertilising could only produce an XX offspring, but if the relevant genes misfired, you would have a male child.

[hedrick]

If Wikipedia is right, an XY female couldn't have had a child, and an XX male still has genes from the father's Y chromosome.

[apostoli]

Can you affirm that God "tweaking the natural order" so to speak, would result in the second person of the Trinity becoming a man?

A.John tells us the Son was sent. He didn't come of his own volition...

So, just as A.Paul declares that God (the Father) raised Jesus from the dead, I see no reason why God (the Father) did not intervene in Mary's conception of God (the Father's) pre-existent Son... To me mitosis is a satisfactory biological explanation, but in Japanese experiments the spontaneous conception only produced females. So to have a male born of spontaneous conception is miraculous...

[apostoli]

Huh? Where would the Y chromosome come from?

Read some books on biology. In Mosaicism and Chimerism, both rare conditions, a human being can carry both an X and Y chromosome that are independent of each other. A decade or so ago in the scientific press it was reported an Indian hermaphrodite virgin was found to have conceived. Scientifically, the question was "How?".

It is not a big deal. Even the Quran acknowledges Jesus' (Isa's) miraculous conception in Mary (Miriam).

[tabibito]

Tweaking the natural order to cause Mary to have a child through mitosis, parthenogenesis or whatever would presumably be a miracle - though if the story from India is correct, perhaps not. However, that would not result in the condition of the Word having become flesh. It would simply be a miraculous pregnancy.
Also from America a couple of years back there is an (unconfirmed) story of a stripper who was a virgin becoming pregnant by very ordinary means to a customer. She was still a virgin after she fell pregnant. I wouldn't be placing any credence on the idea that Mary's pregnancy arose from like circumstances.

[apostoli]

Tweaking the natural order to cause Mary to have a child through mitosis, parthenogenesis or whatever would presumably be a miracle - though if the story from India is correct, perhaps not. However, that would not result in the condition of the Word having become flesh. It would simply be a miraculous pregnancy.
Also from America a couple of years back there is an (unconfirmed) story of a stripper who was a virgin becoming pregnant by very ordinary means to a customer. She was still a virgin after she fell pregnant. I wouldn't be placing any credence on the idea that Mary's pregnancy arose from like circumstances.

Just as a (i think funny) aside: When my then wife was pregnant with our third son, I drove her to the gynecologist and me and my other two sons waited in the car. She eventually came back, fully astounded! Apparently, the patient before her had questioned the doctor how it was possible that she was pregnant, for she had not asked Allah for a child. Believe it or not, but a true story...

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All the above aside, my original point was that the Son was not incarnated by his own volition, according to A.John he was sent, which implies there was intervention by his Father...