Calvinist?

[truthman]

I have never met someone who agreed that the tenets of Calvinism are true, but that they were not one of the chosen ones.

Hmmm, veeerrry interesting.

truthman

[Solly]

And I have never met someone who said that Christianity was true who wasn't one. LOL, waddya expect?

BTW, read some memoirs, such as Bunyan's Grace Abounding to the Chief of Sinners; you'll see it is not quite so cut and dried.

[truthman]

but that's just it

To be a Christian, one must choose.

But in the mind of individual predestination, once I choose, I find out that I was already chosen.

So therefore, the choosing was done extant of me, which means I can agree with the doctrine without having been chosen.

truthman

[Solly]

Errr...yes. I think so.


Truly, there are people who consdier themselves REformed, who are yet dead in their sins; doctrines are made of words, and words can be understood. They might even consider themselves of the elect. The same goes for Christianity at large, esp where baptismal regerneation is insisted upon. But "true religion's more than notion, something must ben known and felt", as one of our hymn writers wrote.

Equally, there are those who agree with the doctrine - because catechised in childhood for instance - who would not believe they were of the elect, although that would tend to happen in presbyterian churches where they again believe in a covenant act covering children.

is there anything specific on your mind?

[GrayPilgrim]

As a Calvinist, I would say that experientially one choses, however, once they look back at the process that brought them to faith they see that it was the grace of God leading them and protecting them, which broguht them to slavation.

GP

[Pereynol of Sheer Dread]

Originally posted by Solly


BTW, read some memoirs, such as Bunyan's Grace Abounding to the Chief of Sinners; you'll see it is not quite so cut and dried.

Though I'm generally a fan of the Puritans, despite not being a Calvinist in any strict sense, I found this book among the most depressing I've ever read. It's as if Bunyan was possessed of every possible neurosis. I suppose his struggles demonstrate just how he came by his immense wisdom so wonderfully displayed in his other writings....

[Revolg]

I'm not an extremist Calvinist who is going to call the Arminian unsaved. Predestination to the Arminianians is different and you can find views all over if you search on google.

[Jaltus]

As a Calvinist, I would say that experientially one choses, however, once they look back at the process that brought them to faith they see that it was the grace of God leading them and protecting them, which broguht them to slavation.

I'll turn you into a Molinist yet!

[GrayPilgrim]

bah humbug

[Pereynol of Sheer Dread]

Originally posted by GrayPilgrim
As a Calvinist, I would say that experientially one choses, however, once they look back at the process that brought them to faith they see that it was the grace of God leading them and protecting them, which broguht them to slavation.

I have the utmost respect for you, GP, but I couldn't help pointing out the last word in your post---"slavation."

[Pereynol of Sheer Dread]

And Jaltus, you're a Molinist? You just keep getting more interesting....

[GrayPilgrim]

:o Gp and spelling go together like fire and ice or oil and water!

[Jaltus]

Or low post count and Cirisme....

Yes, I am a Molinist. William Lane Craig converted me.

Oh, perey, you missed his "broguht" also.

[GrayPilgrim]

I acn emss pu amyn ohtre owrds oto!

[Jaltus]

I acn emss pu amyn ohtre owrds oto!

There should be a comma before "oto."