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      Southern Baptist Resolution

      CHRISTIAN EDUCATION RESOLUTION

      Submitted Jointly by T.C. Pinckney and Bruce N. Shortt To The 2004 Annual Meeting Of The Southern Baptist Convention

      Whereas, the Bible commands that fathers are to bring up their children in the training and admonition of the Lord (Eph. 6:4), and all parents have an obligation to strive by all means to bring up their children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord, and

      Whereas, all authority in heaven and on earth belongs to Jesus, and He has commanded us to make disciples of our children and teach them to observe everything He has commanded (Mt. 28:19-20), and

      Whereas, teaching our children everything that Jesus commanded involves their learning to think biblically about all the spheres of human thought, activity, and life (Dt. 6:4-9) so that they take every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ (2 Cor. 10:5), and

      Whereas, our thinking is not to be conformed to this world's way of thinking, but our minds are to be renewed and sanctified by the truth of God's word (Rom. 12:2; Jn. 17:17), and

      Whereas, the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge (Pr.1:7) and in Christ are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge (Col.2:3), any instruction that does not begin with the fear of the Lord, teaching the centrality of Jesus Christ for understanding all of life cannot properly be said to impart wisdom or knowledge to children, and

      Whereas, Jesus said, "He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters" (Lk. 11:23), the government school system that claims to be "neutral" with regard to Christ is actually anti- Christian, so that children taught in the government schools are receiving an anti-Christian education, and

      Whereas, the government schools are by their own confession humanistic and secular in their instruction, the education offered by the government schools is officially Godless, and

      Whereas, the government schools are adopting curricula and policies teaching that the homosexual lifestyle is acceptable, and

      Whereas, homosexual organizations are present as approved student "clubs" in thousands of government schools and are spreading rapidly, and

      Whereas, the Bible says, children are like arrows in the hand of a warrior (Ps. 127:3-5), we must understand that children are weapons (arrows) to be aimed for the greatest impact in the kingdom of God. Just as it would be foolish for the warrior to give his arrows to his enemies, it is foolish for Christians to give their children to be trained in schools run by the enemies of God, and

      Whereas, training to be a faithful witness should be a vital part of a Christian child's education, and

      Whereas, hundreds of thousands of parents who are members of churches associated with the Southern Baptist Convention send their children to the government schools, and

      Whereas, the children of those parents are receiving a Godless, anti-Christian education, and

      Whereas, the millions of children in government schools spend 7 hours a day, 180 days a year being taught that God is irrelevant to every area of life, and

      Whereas, many Christian children in government schools are converted to an anti-Christian worldview rather than evangelizing their schoolmates, and

      Whereas, the Nehemiah Institute has discovered through its extensive surveys of student attitudes and beliefs that acceptance of a secular humanist worldview by Christian children attending government schools has increased dramatically over the last fifteen years, and

      Whereas, the Southern Baptist Council on Family Life reported to the 2002 Annual Meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention that 88 percent of the children raised in evangelical homes leave church at the age of 18, never to return; and

      Whereas, it is anti-intellectual to artificially divorce God from his creation, and many excellent curricula are available that demonstrate the beauty and working of God throughout His creation, and experience has proven the superior intellectual accomplishments of children educated in such curricula, and

      Whereas, the Bible teaches that the companion of fools will be destroyed (Pr.13:20), and that people are prone to be deceived into thinking that evil company will not corrupt them (1Cor.15:33), it is incumbent upon ministers of the gospel to warn God's people that their children are being corrupted by spending half of their waking hours instructed by teachers who are required by law to inculcate a Godless education, and

      Whereas, many adult members of our congregations teach in government schools, this resolution should not be construed to discourage adult believers who labor as missionaries to unbelieving colleagues and students; rather, they should be commended and encouraged to be salt and light in a dark and decaying government school system:

      NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the 2004 Annual Meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention encourages all officers and members of the Southern Baptist Convention and the churches associated with it to remove their children from the government schools and see to it that they receive a thoroughly Christian education, for the glory of God, the good of Christ's church, and the strength of their own commitment to Jesus, and

      BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the 2004 Annual Meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention encourages all churches associated with the Southern Baptist Convention to work aggressively to counsel parents regarding their obligation to provide their children with a Christian education, and

      BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the 2004 Annual Meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention encourages all churches associated with the Southern Baptist Convention to provide all of their children with Christian alternatives to government school education, either through home schooling or thoroughly Christian private schools.

      Nine Reasons For Not Using Public Schools

      Reasons for Leaving
      Dan Smithwick
      June 2002


      Public schools (or as some like to say, government schools) have come upon hard times in the past several years. One would be hard-pressed to find a community where the public school system is not having serious problems. While gun-shootings get the most coverage, understandably, there are many, many other problems plaguing the 150-year-old experiment of government- run education. Budget crises, teacher shortages, facility problems, undisciplined youth and now more frequently, problem-parents plague most school districts. In addition to these is the fundamental problem- poor education. Standardized test scores have fallen dramatically over the past few decades. Both college and business leaders lament at how poorly educated high school students are.

      For the first two centuries of our nation, civil government had no role in education. In the last century, it has wanted to be the only role. We spend more money on education per pupil than any other industrialized nation yet rank near or at bottom in academic performance, especially in math, physics and sciences. Why? The answer is theological in every sense.

      I want to give nine reasons why the church today should cease using state-run schools. I also want to acknowledge upfront that there are often times circumstances why Christians believe they have to use the public schools. It is neither my place, nor anyone else's I believe, to judge all situations from afar. I will say more on this later. But first, some background on the theological basis for arguing why the church should abandon public schooling.

      Here is the fundamental issue:
      Jesus said,
      Scripture Verse:

      "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God. "(Matthew 4:4)



      For the past several decades it appears that leaders of our nation, particularly in the field of education, have systematically set out to demonstrate that Jesus didn't know what He was talking about. From the removal of the Ten Commandments in the classroom to denying prayer in school to forbidding any display of religious objects in public places (including a closed Bible on a teacher's desk), our nation has determined to become a secular people officially. No Word, just bread; no supernatural, just natural.

      The fruit of this removal of Christianity from the public square is apparent to anyone who wants to see- a decrease in good things (honesty, morality, literacy, family coherence, etc.) and an increase in bad things (crime, sexual immorality, bankruptcies, business and government corruption, family breakdown, etc.). Within a few short generations, our nation has been changing from liberty to bondage (government dependency), from free enterprise to socialism, from creditor status to debtor status, from community spirit to isolationism, from honoring God to ignoring Him.

      The seedbed for this change I believe, more than any other place, has been the public school classroom. When the public/government school system began in the early 19th century, it was absorbed in an environment of Christian ethics held to publicly and privately since the days of the Pilgrims. Prayer, Bible reading and fear of the Lord were the foundations of learning. Not anymore. The spiritual capital inherited by the public school system has been spent and will not be replenished.

      But America didn't enter this experiment of non-religious secular education without warning. Theologian and educator Dr. A.A. Hodge, Princeton Theological Seminary, said, "I am as sure as I am of Christ's reign that a comprehensive and centralized system of national education, separated from religion, as is now commonly proposed, will prove the most appalling enginery for the propagation of anti-Christian and atheistic unbelief, and of anti-social nihilistic ethics, individual, social and political, which this sin-rent world has ever seen."

      Scholar J. Gresham Machen, founder of Westminster Theological Seminary, said "An education that trains the mind without training the moral sense is a menace to civilization rather than a help." On January 12, 1926, Machen testified before a Congressional committee on the dangers of creating a federal Department of Education. He stated, "Do we want a federal Department of Education, or do we not? I think we do not. And I am asking your permission to tell you very briefly why. We do not, I think, want a federal Department of Education because such a Department is in the interests of a principle of uniformity or standardization (emphasis mine) in education which would be the very worst calamity into which this country could fall."

      Martin Luther said, "I'm afraid that the schools will prove the very gates of hell, unless they diligently labor in explaining the Holy Scriptures and engraving them in the heart of youth." America's government-run education system has proven Luther right.

      These men, and many others, gave us clear warnings about government-run, secular, no-Bible education. But the church pressed on. It bought the concept of "free" education and surrendered her posterity to be raised by the state. Would to God that all parents would have seen the error of this as clearly as one parent from Iowa who said,

      "I don't want my children fed by the state. I don't want my children clothed by the state. But I would prefer either to their being educated by the state."

      'Insider' John Taylor Gatto, 1991 New York State Teacher of the Year, speaker, author of Dumbing Us Down and The Exhausted School, stated, "We live in a time of great school crisis. Our children rank at the bottom of nineteen industrial nations in reading, writing and arithmetic. At the very bottom. Our teenage suicide rate is the highest in the world and suicidal kids are rich kids for the most part, not the poor. In Manhattan fifty per cent of all new marriages last less than five years. So something is wrong for sure."

      Education expert Samuel L. Blumenfeld stated, "The plain, unvarnished truth is that public education is a shoddy, fraudulent piece of goods sold to the public at an astronomical price. It's time the American consumer knew the extent of the fraud which is victimizing millions of children each year."

      Pastor and author Douglas Wilson captured the situation well by saying in Recovering the Lost Tools of Learning, (1991) "For over one hundred years, Americans have been running a gigantic experiment in government schools, trying to find out what a society looks like without God. Now we know."

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      nine reasons why Christians should no longer use public schools

      Here are my nine reasons why Christians should no longer use public schools (and really never should have)- listed in reverse order.

      Dan Smithwick

      1. Unsafe Environment

      Surely, every parent in America has heard about the gun-shootings in more than a dozen public schools over the past several years. What Mom hasn't worried as she watched her child go off to school wondering if today it might happen to them? But there are tens of thousands of students who go to their public school daily without ever being confronted with such violence. There are lesser-degree acts of violence (fights, sexual abuse, name calling, teasing, etc.) but these problems show up in private schools as well. Even drug and alcohol problems occur in Christian schools, but to a much smaller degree. Public schools are unsafe in many ways, but I believe it belongs last on the list of "top nine" reasons for Christians not enrolling their children in them.

      2. Negative Role Models

      The Bible says, "Do not be deceived: "Bad company corrupts good morals." (I Cor. 15:33) An environment where the majority of people are not Christian is unquestionably going to produce a different ethic than will occur when nearly all are Christian (faculty and students). The value system, or worldview, of non- Christian teachers and students will produce a 'normal' environment that is hostile to Christianity. If we believe the Bible to be true, it simply cannot be any different.

      Most students like to model their teachers, especially when they are viewed as "cool." However, the morals of Christian-family youth are being corrupted when the lifestyle of their teachers reflects such anti-Christian views as gay rights, abortion rights, and sex before marriage. Believing otherwise is already proof that the warning of this scripture was ignored - you have been deceived.

      3. Reverse "Evangelism"

      Many Christian families state that a key reason for staying with the public school system is to be 'salt and light' to a pagan culture. I think this may be an excellent reason for an adult who is called to teach and who has a burden for evangelism of the lost. There are many Christian teachers in public schools who choose their work for this reason and my hat goes off to them. They are undoubtedly facing in-your-face hostility to Christian principles and yet remain there to pray for the lost, be a witness for Christ and give the best education they can to students. But the 'salt and light' concept ends there.

      I think it is unwise (dangerous?) to send little-trained or untrained youth to perhaps the key battleground of Humanists (the public school classroom) and expect them to be effective in winning over unbelievers, adult or student. The evangelism is working in reverse far too often as is evidenced by Christian-family youth adopting morals of their unbelieving friends.

      4. Godless Curriculum

      School is about learning and learning is about knowing truth. Fundamental to the Christian faith is the axiom that God IS truth. God chose to reveal Himself in Word- form (the outworking of truth) in four primary ways: 1) By His spoken Word, "Let there be-" creation came into existence, with order and purpose; 2) By inspiration, His written Word was given to us in the scriptures for right living; 3) By incarnation, His Word was given to us in flesh (Jesus Christ) for our redemption; and 4) By His final Word all will be judged, "For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;" (Romans 5:12)

      When a school uses a curriculum that is completely void of God's Word, how can we possibly expect its students to be educated? How can we expect our children to be blessed? To be successful? Peter Marshall said, "Let us not fool ourselves- without Christianity, without Christian education, without the principles of Christ inculcated into young life, we are simply rearing pagans." A Godless curriculum will produce a Godless people.

      5. Public Schooling is not Thorough

      Pick any subject taught in K-12 education, if it has been taught apart from the knowledge revealed in scripture, it is incomplete (and likely inaccurate). History, biology, mathematics, sociology, science, language, arts, economics, government, -- each are openly addressed in scripture. In other words, the God who made all creation has also told us how to understand creation. Why would we want to go to the effort and expense of having our children educated for 12-16 years ignoring what the original Author has to say about the subjects we are teaching? It makes no sense, except for the fallen mind who wants no part of God.

      As Christians we understand this dilemma for the unbeliever, but why should we give our children to them for the primary instruction of their lives?

      Take history for example. Schools teach world history. But do students in public schools learn the factual history of mankind: formations of people groups, nations, or why certain civilizations came and went? Or the origins of different languages? Do they learn of the individuals who were greatly used of God in shaping civilization- Noah? Abraham? Moses? David? Paul? Are they taught about some of the world's greatest events such as Creation, the Flood, the birth, death and resurrection of the Son of God, by whom the school's calendar is dated? Not likely.

      What about U.S. History? It is beyond the scope of this article to make the case for America's foundation being squarely laid upon Christianity. I will only quote Dr. D. James Kennedy, "Today there are those who gnash their teeth at the very mention of the fact that America was founded as a Christian nation. But the facts of history are not easily dismissed, though they are certainly ignored in our schools and in many of our modern, revisionist history books." Yet public schools have dismissed this part of U.S. History. Students can receive an "A" in history and never have to know what the original Author had to say or to know of His hand on our history. This is not being educated.

      6. Poor Academic Results

      It is secret to none: Public school students, to a large degree, are simply not well-educated. Much has been written about the 'dumbing down' of our public schools. There are exceptions of course. Some youth, because of their gifting and good homes, are excelling in public schools in spite of the overall deterioration of the system. But for the great majority, even average to above average in intelligence, they are being badly educated. What a travesty this is.

      My friend, Rev. E. Ray Moore, Jr., president, Exodus Mandate, recently wrote, "Abundant evidence, assembled from test scores and elsewhere, assures us that today's public school graduates do not have the mastery of basic subjects that earlier generations had. Students are leaving public high schools in record numbers without having acquired basic writing skills, reading comprehension or mathematical ability. They know little or nothing of this country's founding or its history. They cannot place major historical figures or events in the right century. They cannot walk up to wall maps and point out significant foreign countries. This intellectual deterioration has spread into public colleges and universities that have admitted more and more unprepared students into college level work."

      7. Public Schooling Breeds the view that success can come apart from God

      If we throw out all the bad stuff found in public schools (shootings, rapes, stealing, fighting, cheating, etc.) and have a 'nice' school where no student is afraid, we are still left with an education system that is robbing youth of the most important aspect of being educated- to trust God. The supreme value being touted today for education is so that you can be successful and have a good life. Students are told, "You need a good education so you can get a good job so you can give your kids a good education so they can get a good job," ad infinitum. Not only is this a horrible philosophy of life, it is grossly unbiblical.

      The Bible says, "But you shall remember the LORD your God, for it is He who is giving you power to make wealth," (Deuteronomy 8:18) But this wealth is not simply for the sake of our being rich, for this verse continues, "that He may establish His covenant which He swore to your fathers, as it is this day."

      Here is the purpose of being properly educated and successful- to establish God's covenant on earth. Public schools do not go this direction but rather promote materialism as a way of being successful. This is a formula for failure, the exact opposite of the stated purpose of public education.

      8. Public Schooling Produces no Fear of God

      Now we are getting close to the heart of the problem with secular, government-run education. God said, "Remember the day you stood before the LORD your God at Horeb, when the LORD said to me, 'Assemble the people to Me, that I may let them hear My words so they may learn to fear Me all the days they live on the earth, and that they may teach their children'." (Deuteronomy 4:10)

      Fear of God is almost a lost concept in our culture. The meaning of the word fear as used in the above scripture is 1) morally to revere; and 2) causatively to frighten. Five times in the Book of Deuteronomy the phrase 'learn and fear' is found in context of knowing God's Word. The reason there is little shame anymore (have you seen any lately?) is because there is no fear of God anymore.

      Horace Mann and John Dewey, founders of our public school system, openly expressed their hatred for Christianity. They literally feared an education system that would teach youth to fear God, which is just what America had for the first two hundred years of existence. Jesus had a very different view about fear- "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Matthew 10:28) It would now be considered illegal to quote this statement of Jesus in public schools.

      Education, in any subject, should create fear (reverence) of God for how His majesty is revealed in that area of life. Teaching should also instill a proper fear (fright) of going against God's order and purpose in each discipline of life. Sadly, our public schools teach subjects simply as if God does not exist.

      9. Public Schooling (secular education) is Disobedience to God

      Herein lies the primary reason why Christians should not use public schools any longer. Having been educated myself in public schooling through college, having become a Christian at age 33, and having put our five children through combinations of public and private Christian schools, I can only look back and confess that I was not always obedient in 'education.' I wish every day I could relive some of those years and do it 'by the Book.'

      But those days are gone. It is only the present in which we can decide to be obedient in this all- important field we call education. The Bible says, "Train up a child in the way he should go, even when he is old he will not depart from it." (Proverbs 22:6) There is simply no easy way around the fact that putting our children in an anti-Christian education system is not training them up in the way they should go.

      Many parents want to say, "But we are giving our children Bible training at home." Really? Are you going back to all subject matter your children are taking and giving them a scripture-based education to correct wrong teaching? If so, you are in essence homeschooling them, so why continue to have them enrolled in the public school? If you mean that you are giving your children moral training, and letting the public school give them 'academic' training, you are simply denying them a Christian worldview. Your children are being given an anti-Christian worldview in all subjects at the local public school.

      At the beginning of this article I acknowledged that there are Christians who sincerely believe that, for their situation, public schooling is what they need to use. In response I would say that if you have sought pastoral counsel, prayed and are trusting Christ for this decision, and have peace that you are doing the right thing for your children, then walk in it. If you have not done these things, but are simply 'doing what everybody else in church is doing,' then I would like to challenge you to seek the Lord and get His mind on the matter of public schooling for your children.

      I recommend two books to help with this decision. First is a new book by Rev. E. Ray Moore, Jr., Let My Children Go (quoted from above). Rev. Moore has done the Christian community an excellent service in providing the historical basis of government-run education and the proper theological response to it.

      Rev. Moore says, "We therefore advocate, with solid scriptural foundation, that Christians abandon rather than attempt to reform public schools. We believe our call to Christians to leave public schooling is based on Scripture, the historical American constitutional model, sound, Bible-based educational philosophy, and also free-market principles. We will not convince Congress with this argument, or even local school boards. But we will make progress with Christians, helping them to rebuild their worldview and find their way back to Biblical and constitutional thinking which calls for them to remove their children from public schools and begin home schooling or placing them in private Christian schools."

      The second recommendation is Advancing the Kingdom by Don Schanzenbach. This is a very good personal or group study on learning the Biblical worldview of sixteen different subject matters. The study will give you a rich appreciation of the importance of using Scripture as the basis for learning truth. All typical high school subjects are covered in this book. Both of these books can be obtained from our web site: www.nehemiahinstitute.com. I also recommend my study, Teacher's, Curriculum, Control (see web site). This study gives documented evidence of the negative fruit being produced by secular education.

      Another excellent resource is www.sepschool.org of the Alliance for the Separation of School and State. President Marshall Fritz is doing a significant work in helping Americans to see why civil government should not be in the business of education. I encourage you to join his alliance, as I have done.

      Public, government-run schooling has been a bad experiment. It will not survive much longer. I strongly encourage Christians to use home schooling or private Christian schools for good education and to avoid having your children become victims of an impending crash. On March 28, 2002, Christian family leader, Dr. James Dobson, on his Focus on the Family radio broadcast, stated, "In the State of California, if I had a child there, I wouldn't put the youngster in a public school.... I think it is time to get our kids out...." The case really could be made in 49 other states.

      We use to educate our own children, and much better. Let's do it again.

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      Wow, and these claims are almost documented. So close!
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      And not disputed. This was for Southern Baptists not atheists like Higgy, who must love the fact that their blind faith is the de facto religion of the government schools.

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      Actually, there are many atheists and 'freethinkers' who homeschool, because they believe that the school system does not fit (and it doesn't) all learners. There are 7 types of learning, and the school system only fits two of them. Here's a web site of British homeschool org that's run by a humanist family
      www.home-education.org.uk I think they run with an unschooling approach, which some christians have adapted as well, where they allow the child to lead the way in the area of interest, and the parents act as 'fascilitator' in keeping lots of books around, craft and science helps, and read a lot to their child. Some of what they say is definitely true, in that 'interest directed learning' definitely leads to more interest and desire to learn. Also, they teach them how to do research, etc. Many christians follow this too, in that, the mennonite group say that to 'train up a child in the way he should go' does mean that there are certain characteristics and talents, gifts, leanings in interest and ability -- a child may have, and it is up to the parent to help to find those (more then mennonites believe this) and that they are to act as shepherds in guiding their child to this.

      I have thought and prayed about homeschooling, but it is 'not yet' the answer for me and mine. One has to be sure about this.
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      Quote Originally posted by learning
      I have thought and prayed about homeschooling, but it is 'not yet' the answer for me and mine. One has to be sure about this.
      I wonder about this idea of praying about something God has already revealed in His word.

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      I wonder about this idea of praying about something God has already revealed in His word.

      Hmm. When you first got saved, did you go right out and get circumcised? or pray about it first?

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      Quote Originally posted by Brother Vinny
      Hmm. When you first got saved, did you go right out and get circumcised? or pray about it first?
      What are you on about now? Try taking the Bible in context, and note that circumcision was a sign of the Abrahamic Covenant and repeated in the Mosaic Law. It is irrelevant for as a sign of the New Covenant.

      As thread starter, I request that we return to the topic of Christians and public schooling. Biblical arguments first, pragmatic ones second. Existentialist ones like "I've prayed about it" are not really helpful for anyone else.

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      Quote Originally posted by Socrates
      What are you on about now? Try taking the Bible in context, and note that circumcision was a sign of the Abrahamic Covenant and repeated in the Mosaic Law. It is irrelevant for as a sign of the New Covenant.
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      What is 'existentialist'? And Socrates, do you homeschool?

      Do you believe in freedom of religion? Do you believe in the freedom your country was founded on? Did you know that the Canadian, 'Loyalist' way is the truly 'godly' way?
      It is God who should be king, not 'man' doing what he thinks is best, so the loyalist who came to Canada, were the 'right' ones, in that they supported the king at the time. Anyways, my country has different laws compared to education than yours does. And you don't know me and my 'ability' to homeschool or not, and God does. :)

      I am being tongue in cheek here. I am trying to show you how something can be made to look right in one persons eyes, and wrong in the other.
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      He was manifested in the flesh,
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      believed on in the world,
      taken up in glory."
      I Timothy 3:16

      "Safe?..., who said anything about safe? 'Course He isn't safe. But He's good. He's the King, I tell you."
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      I am being tongue in cheek here. I am trying to show you how something can be made to look right in one persons eyes, and wrong in the other.
      I am happy to discuss biblical and even pragmatic reasons people have for homeschooling, or not as the case may be.

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      Quote Originally posted by Socrates
      I am happy to discuss biblical and even pragmatic reasons people have for homeschooling, or not as the case may be.
      Soc,

      Would you be happy to answer the questions I place before you? I promise they have bearing on the subject at hand.

      Yours,

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      I think I preferred your old Avatar Vinny... lol
      If triangles had a God, He'd have three sides.

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      Did it create anything at all..?
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      Quote Originally posted by EvoUK
      I think I preferred your old Avatar Vinny... lol


      (Edit: It occurs to me my last three avatars [Dawkins, Leonardo, and this one] have been scientists after some fashion. Weird, huh?)
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      Hello, could someone tell me what 'existentialist' means?

      And Socrates, I ask if you homeschool, because I have talked to many who do, and they have been very helpful, and I know that those who do, know what they are talking about. They are not judgmental, and say I should pray about it. Sometimes my husband tells me to take our one child who is struggling in school out of the system, and then when I say I want to, he says I'm not organized enough, and he's afraid she'll miss something. So, if you think I should homeschool, pray that I get more organized! I have struggled with this for years, so I need prayer here!

      I'ld really like to homeschool, but I don't feel confident enough yet, for the above reason. I love books and reading, but I have struggled with math in the past, so that is something I wouldn't be very good at either. Besides, it is a big step, and I believe like the proverbs say, that one should have many counselors before one heads off in some direction.
      "Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of our religion.
      He was manifested in the flesh,
      justified in the Spirit,
      seen by angels,
      preached among the nations,
      believed on in the world,
      taken up in glory."
      I Timothy 3:16

      "Safe?..., who said anything about safe? 'Course He isn't safe. But He's good. He's the King, I tell you."
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