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  • #46
    Originally posted by apostoli View Post
    Imu, we need to differentiate between God's Law (the Decalogue) and Moses' ordinances, the later being punishing and detrimental (and according to A.Paul unobservable in completeness), the former being practical guidance ... probably why Christians can ignore Moses' ordinances (which became to be (according to Jesus) situated above God's intention eg: Moses' divorce ordinances).
    It was - all of it - the law of Moses. The law under the covenant ratified with Moses.
    Luk 2:22 Now when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they brought Him to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord
    That law of purification after giving birth is not in the decalogue.
    Jhn 7:19 “Did not Moses give you the law, yet none of you keeps the law? Why do you seek to kill Me?” Thou shalt not kill is in the decalogue.
    Mal 4:4 “Remember the Law of Moses, My servant, Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel, With the statutes and judgments. The law given at Horeb, which was commanded Moses, was the decalogue.
    1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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    Scripture before Tradition:
    but that won't prevent others from
    taking it upon themselves to deprive you
    of the right to call yourself Christian.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by tabibito View Post
      It was - all of it - the law of Moses. The law under the covenant ratified with Moses.
      Luk 2:22 Now when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they brought Him to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord
      That law of purification after giving birth is not in the decalogue.
      Jhn 7:19 “Did not Moses give you the law, yet none of you keeps the law? Why do you seek to kill Me?” Thou shalt not kill is in the decalogue.
      Mal 4:4 “Remember the Law of Moses, My servant, Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel, With the statutes and judgments. The law given at Horeb, which was commanded Moses, was the decalogue.
      So you are advocating that we should reinstitute the Temple, the corruption of the Levites & Judges and everything that Jesus stood against?

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      • #48
        Originally posted by apostoli View Post
        So you are advocating that we should reinstitute the Temple, the corruption of the Levites & Judges and everything that Jesus stood against?
        On the contrary - I advocate acknowledging the fact that all of the Old Covenant law is obsolete, and that under the New Covenant we are not subject to the Law of Moses, but to the Law of Christ.
        1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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        Scripture before Tradition:
        but that won't prevent others from
        taking it upon themselves to deprive you
        of the right to call yourself Christian.

        ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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        • #49
          Originally posted by tabibito View Post
          John 4:1 Therefore, when the Lord knew that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John 2 (though Jesus Himself did not baptize, but His disciples), 3 He left Judea and departed again to Galilee. 4 But He needed to go through Samaria.
          The record of the many being converted in Samaria followed these events.

          In Matthew 16, Peter declares that Jesus is the Christ. Peter did not need to be told by Jesus, because the Father revealed it. When Peter made that declaration, Jesus confirmed it to be so in the presence of his disciples, and told them not to make it known. The record is unclear whether this was said only to the twelve, or to the twelve and a wider group of disciples. However, it can only be that the injunction was temporary. At some later time Jesus quite clearly did reveal his identity, for in Matthew 23 - spoken to "the multitude" while criticising the scribes and pharisees - he made it plain that he was the Christ ... "Do not be called "rabbi" for one is your teacher, the Christ ..."

          Mat 22:36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?” 37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 “This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 “On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
          Thus, Jesus did affirm the Old Testament law, and its meaning was commonly understood - though it can be argued that Jesus declared it to be kept more in the breach than the observance. Nor can it be argued that these matters were not part of the law - they are the first two articles of the decalogue.
          Notice in John 8, the last referees are the ones that are identified as believing in Jesus (presumably as their liberator, their messiah) and it is these that Jesus accused as being wanting to kill him, and whose father was the devil...

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          • #50
            Originally posted by tabibito View Post
            On the contrary - I advocate acknowledging the fact that all of the Old Covenant law is obsolete, and that under the New Covenant we are not subject to the Law of Moses, but to the Law of Christ.
            Then we are in partial agreement, for as the first council of Jerusalem imposed upon us, we (as gentiles) remain obligated to the Noahic covenant...Imu, the Law of Christ is simply defined as the Law of Love = the Decalogue (according to Jesus)...

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            • #51
              ? Which part of that are you claiming shows that anyone being addressed believes in him?
              1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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              Scripture before Tradition:
              but that won't prevent others from
              taking it upon themselves to deprive you
              of the right to call yourself Christian.

              ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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