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    According to preterism there is no devil [in the world today].

    According to preterism there is no devil [in the world today].
    Quote Originally Posted by Manwë Súlimo View Post
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    4) As a preterist, I'd say he's no longer active in the world but will be again one day
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    Goes to show the error of preterism.
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    I don't know if I've seen it done but I suppose it would be possible to hold to preterism while maintaining that the view of the devil's binding is an example of taking the symbols in Revelation too literally.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    According to preterism there is no devil [in the world today].

    Goes to show the error of preterism.
    When the bit you put in parentheses substantially alters the meaning of the sentence, it probably shouldn't be offset by them.
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    One problem futurists have is that a current binding should seem to result in no evil on earth.

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    Wonder why some people think all evil is a result of demons and Satan? We humans can be pretty nasty on our own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyP View Post
    One problem futurists have is that a current binding should seem to result in no evil on earth.
    Why, pray tell? I'd like to see your (or any futurist's, for that matter) reasoning for that assertion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    According to preterism there is no devil [in the world today].

    Goes to show the error of preterism.
    It's not a position that can't hold water. Even the writers of the Bible believed that the angels who sinned were cast into Hell and are chained up till Judgement (2 Peter 2:4).

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyP View Post
    One problem futurists have is that a current binding should seem to result in no evil on earth.
    Do these Futurists honestly believe that humanity would be paragons of virtue if demons weren't involved on a regular basis?
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    Also, would the binding of the devil necessarily mean that all individual demons are bound? I don't think it would necessarily have to; this is very speculative territory and we can't be all that dogmatic.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    Wonder why some people think all evil is a result of demons and Satan? We humans can be pretty nasty on our own.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chaotic Void View Post
    Do these Futurists honestly believe that humanity would be paragons of virtue if demons weren't involved on a regular basis?
    Probably because the first evil of eating from the Tree of Knowledge was initiated by Satan. Some Jews believe as an external force the Serpent is the yetzer hara or evil inclination entered into and became bound to Adam, who previously only had yetzer hatov/good inclinations. Once removed, man would be wholly good again. (Getting to Know the Yetzer Hara)

    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Why, pray tell? I'd like to see your (or any futurist's, for that matter) reasoning for that assertion.
    I think because we see the end of all evil and deception to sin about when Satan goes into the Lake of Fire in Revelation 20, apparently along with his angels (demons) Matthew 25:41.

    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    Also, would the binding of the devil necessarily mean that all individual demons are bound? I don't think it would necessarily have to; this is very speculative territory and we can't be all that dogmatic.
    True, Revelation doesn't explicitly state Satan's angels are also bound, although Luke 8 has demons asking Jesus to send them to swine rather than the Abyss which implies that demons may also be sent there, see also Jude. Since they follow him to the Lake of Fire one might reason that they are also bound with him in the Abyss, but it is admittedly just speculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyP View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig
    Why, pray tell? I'd like to see your (or any futurist's, for that matter) reasoning for that assertion.
    I think because we see the end of all evil and deception to sin about when Satan goes into the Lake of Fire in Revelation 20, apparently along with his angels (demons) Matthew 25:41.
    You need to bone up a bit on preterist beliefs. We believe that satan is bound at the moment (Rev 20:1-3), not cast into the Lake of Fire; that comes later for us as well.
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