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    Arguing against hyper preterism

    I'm sure this is old hat for everybody else here but I've never waded into this debate before now.

    I am dialoguing with a hyper preterist who states that Jesus's second coming MUST have occurred in the first century because of Jesus's statement that this generation would not pass away until all this was fulfilled. What is the best means of attack for combatting this argument should I see it again?
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    God/Jesus had more than one "coming." Wait upon the Lord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidian View Post
    God/Jesus had more than one "coming." Wait upon the Lord.
    That wasn't contested. The person affirmatively stated that the Second Coming happened in the First Century, on the basis that all had to be fulfilled within a generation.
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    The text doesn't say that.

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    What about the millennium?
    -The universe begins to look more like a great thought than a great machine.
    Sir James Jeans

    -This most beautiful system (The Universe) could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being.All variety of created objects which represent order and Life in the Universe could happen only by the willful reasoning of its original Creator, whom I call the Lord God.
    Sir Isaac Newton

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    That wasn't contested. The person affirmatively stated that the Second Coming happened in the First Century, on the basis that all had to be fulfilled within a generation.
    The only "all" that had to be fulfilled was the set of conditions required for the successful introduction of the new covenant, so I'm guessing that the interpretation there might be just a little awry.

    2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up

    we ask you 2Thessalonians 2:2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.


    Archaeology seems to confirm that this Earth is the same that was in existence 2000 years ago. And there is no record of anyone setting himself up in the temple and declaring himself God. Of course, it could be argued that the falling away has occurred, but I'm not convinced.
    Last edited by tabibito; 08-03-2014 at 07:18 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum Weirdness
    What about the millennium?
    This is always a very strong argument against hyperpreterism as well.

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    Ah yes - the Olivet discourse: dealt with in more detail by Matthew than the other gospels.
    Three questions
    Mat 24:3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, Q1“Tell us, when will these things be? Q2 And what will be the sign of Your coming, and Q3 of the end of the age?”
    Three Answers
    Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 “For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 “And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 “For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows

    Mat 24:9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 “And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 “Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 “And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 “But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

    Mat 24:14 “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. 15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 “Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 “And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 “And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 “For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 “And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened. 23 "Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 “For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 “See, I have told you beforehand.

    1 - Fall of the second temple, sacking of Jerusalem and the dispersion ... 2 - Current ... 3 - Future ... but each flows into the next in seamless progression.

    That, and the quote from 2 Thessalonians (post 6) should be sufficient.
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    From what I remember, the Millennium is thought by Hyper-preterists to be from 30 A.D.-70 A.D.

    However, the millennium does specify that Satan is bound in that time so that he may not deceive the nations. And the NT supposes the exact opposite in this time frame. (2 Cor 2:11)
    -The universe begins to look more like a great thought than a great machine.
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    -This most beautiful system (The Universe) could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being.All variety of created objects which represent order and Life in the Universe could happen only by the willful reasoning of its original Creator, whom I call the Lord God.
    Sir Isaac Newton

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    However, the millennium does specify that Satan is bound in that time so that he may not deceive the nations. And the NT supposes the exact opposite in this time frame. (2 Cor 2:11)
    Filed for future reference
    1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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