Scriptures relevant to Escatology

[themuzicman]

What are the scriptures that you feel are relevant to Escatology?

Obviously Revelation, Daniel (2, 7-12?), Matt 23-24, 1 Cor 15, 1 Thess (2?)...

What are the others?

Michael

[Dee Dee Warren]

Psalm 110 is probably the most important OT passage overall. The NT writers certainly thought so.

[themuzicman]

Psalms 110

1 The LORD says to my Lord:
"Sit at My right hand
Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet."
2 The LORD will stretch forth Your strong scepter from Zion, saying,
"Rule in the midst of Your enemies."
3 Your people will volunteer freely in the day of Your power;
In holy array, from the womb of the dawn,
Your youth are to You as the dew.
4 The LORD has sworn and will not change His mind,
"You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek."
5 The Lord is at Your right hand;
He will shatter kings in the day of His wrath.
6 He will judge among the nations,
He will fill them with corpses,
He will shatter the chief men over a broad country.
7 He will drink from the brook by the wayside;
Therefore He will lift up His head.

[Dee Dee Warren]

Your Bible appears to contain the relevant passage. Good.

[themuzicman]

So, that's the only other one?

[Dee Dee Warren]

No. I figured others would pipe in. But the importance of Psalm 110 cannot be over-emphasized. It kills any species of premill in the way it is used in the NT>

[themuzicman]

So, Luke 20, Acts 2 and Heb 1? These seem to only prove that Jesus is THE messiah, and part of the proof of His deity.

Or Heb 5-7? These talk about the new covenant, and that there is a new law, new covenant and new high priest, addressing Hebrews who wish to remain in the old covenant.

(Or all of those?)

[themuzicman]

Anyone else want to add to the list?

[Glenn P]

I find the idea of such a list incomprehensible. The Bible is eschatology from start to finish.

[themuzicman]

So, to you, God created with the sole purpose of redeeming?

[Glenn P]

So, to you, God created with the sole purpose of redeeming?

No.

Prior to the fall, eschatology, or God's unfolding dealing's in history, was total theonomy, so perhaps I should have said that all of post-fall history is eschatology as we more commonly use the term. After the fall, Scripture becomes salvation history, otherwise known as amillennialism or "neopostmillennialism" (I use the hideous term to pacify DDW).

Glenn

[George Murphy]

No.

Prior to the fall, eschatology, or God's unfolding dealing's in history, was total theonomy, so perhaps I should have said that all of post-fall history is eschatology as we more commonly use the term. After the fall, Scripture becomes salvation history, otherwise known as amillennialism or "neopostmillennialism" (I use the hideous term to pacify DDW).

Glenn

I was going to add Eph.1:10 & Col.1:15-20 to the list of important eschatological passages. (& in fact bigger pieces of both these letters could be included.)

But noting the statement about universalism at the bottom of your post (though it doesn't show up here), I have to point out the presence of the phrase ta panta, "all things," in these passages, & especially Colossians. There it does not occur only in the closing verse but (with grammatical variants) throughout the passage, & I think can hardly be treated as mere hyperbole in the closing verse. If "all things" means literally "all" in the statements about creation, can it be reduced to "some things" in the statement about reconciliation? I don't wish to urge any simple-minded universalism, but with this text in view I think we should be equally cautious about dismissing every concept of universalism.

Shalom,
George

[Glenn P]

But noting the statement about universalism at the bottom of your post (though it doesn't show up here), I have to point out the presence of the phrase ta panta, "all things," in these passages, & especially Colossians.

I was aware of the presence of this phrase.

There it does not occur only in the closing verse but (with grammatical variants) throughout the passage, & I think can hardly be treated as mere hyperbole in the closing verse. If "all things" means literally "all" in the statements about creation, can it be reduced to "some things" in the statement about reconciliation? I don't wish to urge any simple-minded universalism, but with this text in view I think we should be equally cautious about dismissing every concept of universalism.

Universalism is not just error, it is utterly noxious poison to the Christian mind. I do not believe I am overstating my position in saying this.

I believe there is an entirely adequate response to any argument for universalism based on the Scripture passages you refer to, but I can;t really make that response without hijacking the purpose of the thread, so if you'd like to start another thread on it, I'm certainly willing to discuss it with you.

In His grip

Glenn

[John Reece]

I was going to add Eph.1:10 & Col.1:15-20 to the list of important eschatological passages. (& in fact bigger pieces of both these letters could be included.)

But noting the statement about universalism at the bottom of your post (though it doesn't show up here), I have to point out the presence of the phrase ta panta, "all things," in these passages, & especially Colossians. There it does not occur only in the closing verse but (with grammatical variants) throughout the passage, & I think can hardly be treated as mere hyperbole in the closing verse. If "all things" means literally "all" in the statements about creation, can it be reduced to "some things" in the statement about reconciliation? I don't wish to urge any simple-minded universalism, but with this text in view I think we should be equally cautious about dismissing every concept of universalism.

Shalom,
George

A very interesting post.

The terms "eschatology" and "eschatological" are usually used with a range of meaning that includes two overlapping phases of time, which I distinguish in my own mind by means of these terms

• eschatology/eschatological

• teleology/teleological

In the first category I see the scriptures which were fulfilled circa AD70.

In the second category I see the scriptures which have been in process of fulfillment from circa AD30 to the present - a process of fulfillment which will continue until the ultimate consummation that only God has the capacity to comprehend.

The scriptures to which George refers above are in the second category.

[Dee Dee Warren]

Muz and I discussed on paltalk the importance of Psalm 110. Simply put its importance cannot be understated.