Rapture, Millineum, & the 3 last Jewish Feasts.

[Truthseeker]

Cow Poke has a neologism! A marvel!

[Cow Poke]

Cow Poke has a neologism! A marvel!

Yeah, but I've already seen a doctor, and plan on having it surgically removed.

[Christianbookworm]

Yeah, but I've already seen a doctor, and plan on having it surgically removed.

Not a neoplasm!!! A neologism! Making up your own words! Though, I suspect you did that on purpose...
Did we scare FEB away for good???

[NormATive]

As far as I understand, as many also believe, that the 3 last Jewish feast refers of Christ's Second coming of Christ; as the first 4 feast refers to the first coming of Christ. How do the rapture and millineum fits to the last three feasts according to your belief?

First, there is no such thing as a "last" Jewish feast. They are ongoing - based around the Jewish calendar.

Secondly, the Jewish feasts aren't prophecy of anything. They are meant to illustrate G-d's interaction with the Jewish people. I can understand why some Christians find meaning in the Jewish feasts - after all, the man you worship was Jewish!

I apologize for posting in a "theistic" thread, but couldn't let this one go. As one of the only Jewish persons on T-Web, I feel obligated to correct common errors.

I think you are right to focus on the teachings and actions of Jesus rather than speculate on who is qualified to join the club by proof of their secret decoder ring.

CowPoke is correct, I think, to focus attention on those who need help NOW rather than worry about what the future holds.

NORM

[FarEastBird]

First, there is no such thing as a "last" Jewish feast. They are ongoing - based around the Jewish calendar.

Secondly, the Jewish feasts aren't prophecy of anything. They are meant to illustrate G-d's interaction with the Jewish people. I can understand why some Christians find meaning in the Jewish feasts - after all, the man you worship was Jewish!

I apologize for posting in a "theistic" thread, but couldn't let this one go. As one of the only Jewish persons on T-Web, I feel obligated to correct common errors.

I think you are right to focus on the teachings and actions of Jesus rather than speculate on who is qualified to join the club by proof of their secret decoder ring.

CowPoke is correct, I think, to focus attention on those who need help NOW rather than worry about what the future holds.

NORM

Christ came and revealed the truth of salvation. It was a prophecy foretold in the OT itself. So, a Christian's understanding of the Scriptures may vary from the Jewish old beliefs.

A correction on my part, I was referring of the 3 autumn feast(s). Most, if not all, Christians believe that Christ's advents have to do with the feasts, of which we believe that the first 4 spring feasts were fulfilled at his first coming. And that the 3 autumn feasts will be fulfilled at his second coming.

Now, the salvation that was revealed to us is that of Predestination; that it is God's work. And the evidence of this salvation is of showing God's plans and messages, stated in the prophesies, being fulfilled, especially about Christ. Just as how the events in the first century was prophesied and was fullfilled, the same thing will be true of these last days. If the prophesies fails, our hope of salvation through predestination through the power of God also fails; for then we'll see that God is not that omnipotent.

We cannot work out our salvation, but rather, seeing ourselves counted in the fulfillment of the prophesies would be our genuine hope.

[NormATive]

Christ came and revealed the truth of salvation. It was a prophecy foretold in the OT itself. So, a Christian's understanding of the Scriptures may vary from the Jewish old beliefs.

Nevertheless, the Christian understanding is a reinterpretation of Jewish beliefs. The Jewish feasts were given to us by G-d for OUR edification and the pedagogy of our youth, not to foretell future events - particularly blasphemous events.

BTW, it is quite easy to back-date events from an existing book (Jesus himself quotes from the Tanakh) to make it appear as though it were "prophecy."

I'm afraid prophecy is not a petard you want to hoist. I'd stick with the idea that Christianity is an evolutionary stage in Jewish history. But I understand the desire to embrace Jewish philosophy. It does have a certain gravitas to it.

NORM

[Cow Poke]

I'm afraid prophecy is not a petard you want to hoist.

I think this is a mangled metaphor. A petard is an explosive device, and the common phrase is "hosted on your own petard".

On the other hand, perhaps you INTENDED that he was needlessly launching fireworks!

[NormATive]

I think this is a mangled metaphor. A petard is an explosive device, and the common phrase is "hosted on your own petard".

On the other hand, perhaps you INTENDED that he was needlessly launching fireworks!

I prefer my metaphors mangled and, er; smelly? Interesting etymology:

pe·tard (p-tärd)
n.
1. A small bell-shaped bomb used to breach a gate or wall.
2. A loud firecracker.
[French pétard, from Old French, from peter, to break wind, from pet, a breaking of wind, from Latin pditum, from neuter past participle of pdere, to break wind; see pezd- in Indo-European roots.]
Word History: The French used pétard, "a loud discharge of intestinal gas," for a kind of infernal engine for blasting through the gates of a city. "To be hoist by one's own petard," a now proverbial phrase apparently originating with Shakespeare's Hamlet (around 1604) not long after the word entered English (around 1598), means "to blow oneself up with one's own bomb, be undone by one's own devices." The French noun pet, "fart," developed regularly from the Latin noun pditum, from the Indo-European root *pezd-, "fart." - http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hoisted+by+own+petard

NORM

[Cow Poke]

I prefer my metaphors mangled and, er; smelly? Interesting etymology:

Even more interesting that I had thought.

[Truthseeker]

I think this is a mangled metaphor. A petard is an explosive device, and the common phrase is "hosted on your own petard".

Watch the spelling: Hoisted, with an eye for detail.

[Cow Poke]

Watch the spelling: Hoisted, with an eye for detail.

Touche'. Gotta watch that, cause I don't have as many fingers on my right hand as you do, and the "i" key is often missed --- I often have to go back and catch it.

[FarEastBird]

Nevertheless, the Christian understanding is a reinterpretation of Jewish beliefs. The Jewish feasts were given to us by G-d for OUR edification and the pedagogy of our youth, not to foretell future events - particularly blasphemous events.

BTW, it is quite easy to back-date events from an existing book (Jesus himself quotes from the Tanakh) to make it appear as though it were "prophecy."

I'm afraid prophecy is not a petard you want to hoist. I'd stick with the idea that Christianity is an evolutionary stage in Jewish history. But I understand the desire to embrace Jewish philosophy. It does have a certain gravitas to it.

NORM

Bottomline is the prophet foretold to come will speak the word of God, and every one is accounted to believe him. Christ came and spoke word contrary to common Jewish customs and beliefs, of which it was easy for the Jews to deny him. Because of this issue, Christ words could only be vindicated by being a prophet himself, and of the fullfilment of the prophecies regarding himself. The prophesies were fulfilled, so we take Christ's word.

Today we face even a worst problem of having diverse beliefs among christian believers, and that it seems reasoning would not be enough to silence the false ones. But that is not only that simple, the apostles themselves had prophesied of the falling away of the believers, and of the blindness that would come. Again, a preacher would have had the difficulty to preach truth unto a people that has fallen away and blinded. And it is the prophesies that will vindicate someone from God. And one thing, we're told that anyone who prophesied and failed is not of God.

Quite honestly, people who preach to focus of people's individual talent to be useful in the community of christians, is, ultimately, actually focused on their own agendas. Whereas the basic common goal our works ought to be the unification of all believers, making it into one body. Excusing that our talents naturally cause divisions among ourselves lies a big deception in the heart of these people. As Jesus plainly said, " a divided house cannot stand." It is foolish to think that the divided christians would represent the house of God.

[Christianbookworm]

Bottomline is the prophet foretold to come will speak the word of God, and every one is accounted to believe him. Christ came and spoke word contrary to common Jewish customs and beliefs, of which it was easy for the Jews to deny him. Because of this issue, Christ words could only be vindicated by being a prophet himself, and of the fullfilment of the prophecies regarding himself. The prophesies were fulfilled, so we take Christ's word.

Today we face even a worst problem of having diverse beliefs among christian believers, and that it seems reasoning would not be enough to silence the false ones. But that is not only that simple, the apostles themselves had prophesied of the falling away of the believers, and of the blindness that would come. Again, a preacher would have had the difficulty to preach truth unto a people that has fallen away and blinded. And it is the prophesies that will vindicate someone from God. And one thing, we're told that anyone who prophesied and failed is not of God.

Quite honestly, people who preach to focus of people's individual talent to be useful in the community of christians, is, ultimately, actually focused on their own agendas. Whereas the basic common goal our works ought to be the unification of all believers, making it into one body. Excusing that our talents naturally cause divisions among ourselves lies a big deception in the heart of these people. As Jesus plainly said, " a divided house cannot stand." It is foolish to think that the divided christians would represent the house of God.

Guess what, denominations aren't divided on the essentials. They primarily exist to serve a specific population. It's an autonomy thing.

[FarEastBird]

Guess what, denominations aren't divided on the essentials. They primarily exist to serve a specific population. It's an autonomy thing.

Diversity of administration is not an issue. Though when two administrators are not working together, then it becomes truly an issue. It is easy to see that majority of the denominations are not really united.

But most important here is the issue of belief/faith. We are commanded to be of ONE MIND regarding our faith. The gospel, as we believe, is the mystery of our salvation. It follows that people who explain the mystery of salvation unto the concept of Calvinism differ in gospel to those of Molinism, or Open Theism, or Arminianism. To ignore the differences of these understanding of the mystery of salvation is plainly to ignore the truth of the gospel.

But regardless that we may have differences, there is no excuse that we be divided. Psalm 127:1 says, "Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain." God is the only who establishes the church, to claim that it can be divided is ludicrous. God will never make His house divided.


A divided house is man's invention.

[Christianbookworm]

Diversity of administration is not an issue. Though when two administrators are not working together, then it becomes truly an issue. It is easy to see that majority of the denomination is not really united.

But most important here is the issue of belief/faith. We are commanded to be of ONE MIND regarding our faith. The gospel, as we believe, is the mystery of our salvation. It follows that people who explain the mystery of salvation unto the concept of Calvinism differ in gospel to those of Molinism, or Open Theism, or Arminianism. To ignore the differences of these understanding of the mystery of salvation is plainly to ignore the truth of the gospel.

But regardless in we have differences, there is no excuse that we be divided. Psalm 127:1 says, "Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain." God is the only who establishes the church, to claim that it can be divided is ludicrous. God will never make His house divided.


A divided house is man's invention.

Quoting a Psalm? That's poetry, not a theological statement. Not a good idea to use proverbial literature to form doctrine. Bound to misinterpret it. Why is your interpretation more valid than mine? Do you have a monopoly on the Holy Spirit? Are you a prophet?