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Dealing with a KJV-Onlyist

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  • #31
    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
    Just focusing on the readability issue; those of us who are college educated probably won't struggle that badly with the NKJV, but I think a less educated audience would struggle with some of the more archaic terminology. I've noticed dollar stores around here sometimes sell KJV editions, and the presumably largely lower class audience is less likely to thrive with such reading.
    Are you conflating the NKJV and KJV here? I don't recall running across much archaic terminology in the former.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      Do KJV onlyists think that there were any inerrant translations of scripture before the KJV?
      This is a question that I've never seen much of a straight answer on, and I think it's a real weakness in their position. In my experience, they seem to treat it like a "gotcha" question and basically ignore it.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
        This is a question that I've never seen much of a straight answer on, and I think it's a real weakness in their position. In my experience, they seem to treat it like a "gotcha" question and basically ignore it.
        Oh, but the KJV is the first translation. It involves time travel! In fact the original documents were written in Elizabethan english and magically translated into Greek and Hebrew. I am having too much fun with this.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
          Are you conflating the NKJV and KJV here? I don't recall running across much archaic terminology in the former.
          I'd say I more misused "archaic" when "uncommon" would have been more appropriate. I used to have an NKJV and I went back and looked at it and it wasn't quite as difficult as I remembered; it struck me as little different from my beloved ESV readability-wise. Tilting against the NKJV windmill in the name of readability doesn't really seem like a concern as opposed to the KJV. The Gideons hand out KJV Bibles on college campuses/etc. and I'd rather they choose something else as so many Bibles that are distributed to people who have little other access tend to be that. But I know it's probably for copyright reasons (to facilitate mass printings) so it's not so simple.
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          • #35
            It's even harder to discuss things rationally with a KJV-onlyist when you happen to be non-Christian (or, worse, an atheist, like myself).

            It doesn't matter how much respect and knowledge one has in regards to the transmission of Biblical manuscripts; if you're not a believer, a KJV-onlyist will immediate reject you as the demon-spawned offspring of the Alexandrian heretics, Westcott and Hort. I once had a wonderfully friendly and irenic dialogue with a KJV-Onlyist on YouTube (author of "New Versions are Vatican Versions") which immediately degraded into a tirade of insult and attempted exorcism when I told him that I wasn't a believer.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View Post
              . . . and attempted exorcism when I told him that I wasn't a believer.
              Really? Off topic, but what procedure did he try, in detail? If that's not too much to ask for.
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              • #37
                Apologies, I was being a tad facetious. He did not attempt a formal exorcism, but he did proclaim that I have a demon in me, and promised to pray for me on that account.
                "[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View Post
                  It's even harder to discuss things rationally with a KJV-onlyist when you happen to be non-Christian (or, worse, an atheist, like myself).

                  It doesn't matter how much respect and knowledge one has in regards to the transmission of Biblical manuscripts; if you're not a believer, a KJV-onlyist will immediate reject you as the demon-spawned offspring of the Alexandrian heretics, Westcott and Hort. I once had a wonderfully friendly and irenic dialogue with a KJV-Onlyist on YouTube (author of "New Versions are Vatican Versions") which immediately degraded into a tirade of insult and attempted exorcism when I told him that I wasn't a believer.
                  A lot of these folks are really superstitious about demons and the illuminati. Demons and occult images are on every street corner and TV channel. Their whole system is heavily routed in the idea that demonic forces are behind everything that doesn't support KJV onlism. Often times, these guys attach themselves to one leader who feeds them this garbage. Like Peter Ruckman, who I've heard being referred to as a "modern day apostle Paul".

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