Ferguson police not stopping looting??

[Truthseeker]

I read somewhere that he commented on the release of the store robbery by saying it was "irrelevant" to the shooting. And now he's seen posing with gang signs in uniform? That's wildly inappropriate and subversive to the entire purpose of being an LEO.

I also can't say anything nice about his speech comparing Michael Brown to his own son. He's positioning himself (publicly, I might add) against Officer Wilson. That's nothing more than stabbing his 'brother in blue' in the back for political gain -- and before the investigation is even over. I couldn't trust him to have my back, ever.

I tend to agree with most of your post, but I do think the store robbery was irrelevant to the shooting, unless Wilson did already know about the robbery then.

[Darth Executor]

Ferguson protesters have a new ally:

[Littlejoe]

I tend to agree with most of your post, but I do think the store robbery was irrelevant to the shooting, unless Wilson did already know about the robbery then.

It entirely relevant. If MB thought Officer Wilson did know about the robbery, that explains why he went on the offensive and attacked the officer. SMH...

[Cow Poke]

I tend to agree with most of your post, but I do think the store robbery was irrelevant to the shooting, unless Wilson did already know about the robbery then.

It's actually more dangerous for a cop to encounter an individual WITHOUT the knowledge that the individual had just robbed or whatever. The fact is that BROWN knew that he had robbed that store, and he probably SURMISED that Wilson did, too..... Had Wilson known that Brown had committed that act, Wilson no doubt would have handled it much differently. It is VERY relevant.

Also, look at the manner in which Brown treated the store clerk --- confrontation, then separation, then, as if that wasn't enough, he comes BACK for that extra intimidation thing... VERY similar to what is alleged to have happened to Wilson.

[Teallaura]

I tend to agree with most of your post, but I do think the store robbery was irrelevant to the shooting, unless Wilson did already know about the robbery then.

Why would Brown's state of mind be irrelevant?

[Truthseeker]

OK, I didn't think about Brown's state of mind. Since we can't read the mind of a dead person, I guess Wilson should be considered not guilty.

[Truthseeker]

To be sure, "would have" may be a long way from "could have," but I think this is interesting anyway http://www.komando.com/happening-now...-article_3-cta

[Cow Poke]

OK, I didn't think about Brown's state of mind. Since we can't read the mind of a dead person, I guess Wilson should be considered not guilty.

We don't know that yet. We just know that it's not a slam dunk that he "murdered an innocent kid in broad daylight". And that goofy idiot Governor of Missouri should not inflame the crowed by advocating a "vigorous prosecution" to get "Justice for Michael Brown". That is SO INCREDIBLY prejudiced.

I think what we DO know is that it's entirely possible that this was a "righteous shooting".

[Psychic Missile]

We don't know that yet. We just know that it's not a slam dunk that he "murdered an innocent kid in broad daylight". And that goofy idiot Governor of Missouri should not inflame the crowed by advocating a "vigorous prosecution" to get "Justice for Michael Brown". That is SO INCREDIBLY prejudiced.

I think what we DO know is that it's entirely possible that this was a "righteous shooting".

All of the eyewitnesses indicate it was not righteous. What sort of evidence would invalidate these people who saw the same thing?

[tabibito]

All of the eyewitnesses indicate it was not righteous. What sort of evidence would invalidate these people who saw the same thing?

The other people who saw the same thing and gave a different account - and an account that is supported by autopsy reports at that.
as opposed to
eye witness accounts that are found wanting in the light of the autopsy reports.
For example - the eye witness accounts saying that he was standing with his hands raised - which are sort of called into question by a bullet entry wound through the top of his head. Of course - if he had started to topple forward when the gun was fired, that wouldn't by itself rule out the possibility that he was standing with his hands raised.
Then there are the eye witness accounts that say he was running away - so how is it that all bullet wounds show entry from the front?

And if I remember rightly, the cop was hit around the head a few times ... which, particularly given the size of the lad, could possibly have resulted in a mild concussion that made the cop less able to think clearly. ... and that wouldn't necessarily affect his ability to actually use a gun over much, assuming he was trained in how to shoot.

[Psychic Missile]

The other people who saw the same thing and gave a different account - and an account that is supported by autopsy reports at that.
as opposed to
eye witness accounts that are found wanting in the light of the autopsy reports.
For example - the eye witness accounts saying that he was standing with his hands raised - which are sort of called into question by a bullet entry wound through the top of his head. Of course - if he had started to topple forward when the gun was fired, that wouldn't by itself rule out the possibility that he was standing with his hands raised.
Then there are the eye witness accounts that say he was running away - so how is it that all bullet wounds show entry from the front?

And if I remember rightly, the cop was hit around the head a few times ... which, particularly given the size of the lad, could possibly have resulted in a mild concussion that made the cop less able to think clearly. ... and that wouldn't necessarily affect his ability to actually use a gun over much, assuming he was trained in how to shoot.

I don't understand. You claim your first objection doesn't necessarily contradict the eyewitnesses, and in the eyewitness accounts Brown was shot at while running and while surrendering, which, with the autopsy, would indicate that the shots fired while he was running missed. I don't see what a possible concussion has to do with whether the shooting was justified. What are you trying to say?

[rogue06]

All of the eyewitnesses indicate it was not righteous. What sort of evidence would invalidate these people who saw the same thing?

According to the police there are a dozen eyewitnesses that confirm the account given by the officer (Darren Wilson) that Mike Brown was charging him when he shot. At least one witness was picked up in the background of a video posted by an apparent Brown supporter on YouTube discussing it with someone else saying that Brown doubled back on the police.

So your claim that "all of the eyewitnesses indicate it was not righteous" obviously does not hold water.

Further, Wilson claims that he had been hit in the face by Brown before Brown started to leave then when told to stop turned around and charged Wilson. The fact that Wilson has a serious facial injury -- a fractured eye socket -- tends to corroborate the officer's account.

Finally, the video of the strong arm robbery that Brown had participated in shortly before the confrontation with Wilson shatters the "Gentle Giant" image that he had been portrayed as being.

Does all of this mean that Wilson is innocent of any wrong doing and that the shooting was entirely righteous? No. The evidence and witnesses have to be be fully examined before that can be ascertained.

[tabibito]

I don't understand. You claim your first objection doesn't necessarily contradict the eyewitnesses, and in the eyewitness accounts Brown was shot at while running and while surrendering, which, with the autopsy, would indicate that the shots fired while he was running missed. I don't see what a possible concussion has to do with whether the shooting was justified. What are you trying to say?

Basically, what I was trying to say was what Rogue06 said. Not all the witnesses said he was surrendering. Some said he was running away. Some said he was charging the cop. And concussion does work toward mitigation - the person is not in full control, particularly in an emotionally charged situation. He's been hit hard enough to sustain a fractured eye socket - no one thinks straight after that kind of injury.

[Teallaura]

We don't know that yet. We just know that it's not a slam dunk that he "murdered an innocent kid in broad daylight". And that goofy idiot Governor of Missouri should not inflame the crowed by advocating a "vigorous prosecution" to get "Justice for Michael Brown". That is SO INCREDIBLY prejudiced.

I think what we DO know is that it's entirely possible that this was a "righteous shooting".

^ Yeah, that!

[Darth Executor]

All of the eyewitnesses indicate it was not righteous.

No they don't.

Then there's ghetto dynamics at work where ghetto blacks will lie to your face in a performance worthy of an Academy Award explaining how he din do nuffin and he was a good boy while the ones who want to tell the truth will either shut up or at least avoid the camera so they don't get beaten/murdered afterwards.