A "junk DNA" discussion

[klaus54]

at least you didn't call my serious attempt a "wisecrack"

Look , I am Creationist, but Creationist who knows we are stuck in NATURAL world for now. and that means entropy

And if Yahweh is going to kick us out of paradise and and make us live here in natural world, I think least He can do is provide occasional failsafe mechanism here and there,
like mechanism stress induced mutagenesis , like SOS response genes for example ,
that way you get not just natural random mutations, but so many that in the mix, if extinction doesn't happen first, at least get survivor.

but my attempt at "junk"

I think junk DNA is like long repetitive repetitive repetitive ...stacks of building bricks on pallets...
to natives coming out of jungle for first time and stumble on civilization, they see fortress built of bricks,
on approach they get fired upon by arrows from where wall appeared to open.

They conclude fortress not natural, like a hill, but a functional object.

later they stumble upon field with stack after stack of bricks on pallets., which they recognize from the fortress.
after fear at first, when no arrows fly out, they realize its just stack of bricks with no function.

they conclude, must just be junk, maybe used to be fortress , but now just useless piles.

I think scientists just recently stumble on DNA "civilization" and came to hasty conclusions at first.

now they are discovering epigenetics for example, and changes without out mutations, just activation of genes that were already on hand.

So YHWH Elohim created "junk" with the paradisaical eviction notice?

Or was the junk already there in their "perfect" state?

You'll have to pardon me, but the evolutionary explanations make a LOT more sense.

So I guess human junk was created to be similar to other organisms' junk. YHWH Elohim must have been in a cheapskate scrounging mood at that time. Also HE must have a tad of the trickster in him. Logical, because WAS P-Oed at the time. HE'll show us!!!

K54

[jordanriver]

So YHWH Elohim created "junk" with the paradisaical eviction notice?

Or was the junk already there in their "perfect" state?

You'll have to pardon me, but the evolutionary explanations make a LOT more sense.

So I guess human junk was created to be similar to other organisms' junk. YHWH Elohim must have been in a cheapskate scrounging mood at that time. Also HE must have a tad of the trickster in him. Logical, because WAS P-Oed at the time. HE'll show us!!!

K54

Sorry. Is my mistake.
where I type "but my attemp at "junk"" ...I should have said "ok--subject change"

Did not mean first part, which was reply to plank about beneficial mutations having to be junk, to be conflating with 2nd part of post

[jordanriver]

So YHWH Elohim created "junk" with the paradisaical eviction notice?

K54

"junk" is human description.

Just because some humans call it junk does not make it so.

[Jorge]

Can you even discuss the topic? What is getting through is that the only way to get past the intellectual bankruptcy of your argument is to hide behind a lot of bluster. You claim to have evidence that my view of junk DNA is wrong, yet you can't seem to present it. In fact, you can't even discuss the basics of what I have presented.

I see that NOTHING that I had said got through. Hardly surprising.

You speak of "your view of junk DNA" when the simple fact is that you're regurgitating material that is decades old and has been thoroughly and often refuted. I even provided you with an excellent source to get much of this material (with hundreds of references - papers, articles, books, etc.).

After all that, you claim that I haven't given you anything.
You need to brush-up on the concept of false reporting.

Now you'll call this post "bluster" so as to pull your butt out of the fire and feel "justified".

Jorge

[klaus54]

I see that NOTHING that I had said got through. Hardly surprising.

You speak of "your view of junk DNA" when the simple fact is that you're regurgitating material that is decades old and has been thoroughly and often refuted. I even provided you with an excellent source to get much of this material (with hundreds of references - papers, articles, books, etc.).

After all that, you claim that I haven't given you anything.
You need to brush-up on the concept of false reporting.

Now you'll call this post "bluster" so as to pull your butt out of the fire and feel "justified".

Jorge

The beauty of the Jorgian YEC ideology is that ANYTHING fits into it WITHOUT worrying about lack of consilience.

That's why Jorgian YECs can just fling poop and insults. They don't HAVE to explain.

I wish REAL science were that simple.

K54

P.S. Ohh, the "regurgitating material that's decades old..." thingy is just RICH!

[klaus54]

"junk" is human description.

Just because some humans call it junk does not make it so.

It doesn't matter what one CALLS it.

One must still EXPLAIN it, if one cares at all about SCIENCE.

(Paraphase) "It must done-diddly-do have a function 'cuz Elohim made it dat way" ain't a SCIENTIFIC explanation.

K54

[sfs1]

So did Jorge ever figures out what was wrong with my post?

[Jorge]

So did Jorge ever figures out what was wrong with my post?

I have a far more perplexing question: how in heaven's name were you able
to make it through college without being able to read for comprehension?

See post # 54, this thread. Was there a syllable that you need some help with?

Jorge

[Method]

I see that NOTHING that I had said got through. Hardly surprising.

You speak of "your view of junk DNA" when the simple fact is that you're regurgitating material that is decades old and has been thoroughly and often refuted.

Please look at the date on the paper that I have already presented.

http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/conten.../20/gbe.evt028

It's from 2013, chief.

Notice that it is also from a peer reviewed journal and not creationist propoganda shinola like the stuff you referenced for me. Jonathan Wells has zero publications in the field of genetics. He lies. A lot. Please learn what a real scientific reference is.

After all that, you claim that I haven't given you anything.

A flat reference to creationist lies with no substance is nothing. Try again. Try real scientific papers found in real peer reviewed journals.

No more bluster. Show us some science.

[Method]

Look , I am Creationist, but Creationist who knows we are stuck in NATURAL world for now. and that means entropy

From my experience, creationists have a really poor grasp on entropy.

but my attempt at "junk"

I think junk DNA is like long repetitive repetitive repetitive ...stacks of building bricks on pallets...
to natives coming out of jungle for first time and stumble on civilization, they see fortress built of bricks,
on approach they get fired upon by arrows from where wall appeared to open.

How does this relate to junk DNA at all.

If anything, junk DNA is analagous to the dumpsters full of garbage left on a construction site after the building is done.

I think scientists just recently stumble on DNA "civilization" and came to hasty conclusions at first.

I think you are ignoring the evidence that they are looking at.

What we see is that about 90% of the human genome is accumulating mutations at a rate consistent with neutral drift. If you want to claim that this 90% has function then you need to explain why we see no evidence of negative selection in those stretches of DNA. Either no mutation can change or do away with the important function that junk DNA has, or no mutations can occur in these stretches. Which is it?

[Roy]

I have a far more perplexing question: how in heaven's name were you able
to make it through college without being able to read for comprehension?

See post # 54, this thread. Was there a syllable that you need some help with?

I'll explain and I'll use small words so that you'll be sure to understand, • Edited by a Moderator •

THAT WAS THE WRONG POST!

I leave you in anguish, wallowing in freakish misery forever.


Roy

[sfs1]

I have a far more perplexing question: how in heaven's name were you able
to make it through college without being able to read for comprehension?

Just gifted, I guess.

See post # 54, this thread. Was there a syllable that you need some help with?

Never change, Jorge -- you're a national treasure. Also, what Roy said.

[Roy]

• Edited by a Moderator •

Inconceivable.

[Jorge]

Just gifted, I guess.

That's a 'great' gift you have there, kiddo ... cherish it!

Never change, Jorge -- you're a national treasure. Also, what Roy said.

In some areas I definitely need to 'change'.
In others, heaven forbid that I should ever change.
What Roy said was Moderated.
That you agree with Roy just goes to shows ...

Jorge

[Jorge]

From my experience, creationists have a really poor grasp on entropy.

Let me blindly go out on a limb here ... Materialists/Atheists/Humanists and
Theistic Evolutionists DO have a good grasp on "entropy", isn't that right?

Hey, there's this bridge in New York that may interest you.

Jorge