Vatican 2's Infallibility-Where's the Beef?

[robrecht]

I don't know. I'm pretty sure even modernists affirm the infallibility of dogmatic councils, or if they don't, they certainly do so with the scriptures. Then again, modernism cover a lot of heretical thinking, so I don't know.

Well that hardly seems fair! If someone is going to be accused of heresy, I would hope they'd at least have a name for this supposed heresy. Maybe it is a brand new heresy (which does not seem likely) or maybe it is not a heresy at all?

[TimelessTheist]

Well that hardly seems fair! If someone is going to be accused of heresy, I would hope they'd at least have a name for this supposed heresy. Maybe it is a brand new heresy (which does not seem likely) or maybe it is not a heresy at all?

I'm pretty sure denying the infallibility of the word of God is pretty much the ultimate heresy.

[robrecht]

I'm pretty sure denying the infallibility of the word of God is pretty much the ultimate heresy.

Is the Word of God the Second Person of the Trinity or words on a page?

[TimelessTheist]

Is the Word of God the Second Person of the Trinity or words on a page?

The Bible, so yes, I suppose words on a page.

[robrecht]

The Bible, so yes, I suppose words on a page.

"In the beginning was the Word ... "

Sound familiar? I think the Word of God is the second person of the Trinity. The biblical texts reflect the glory of God but are not God himself.

[TimelessTheist]

"In the beginning was the Word ... "

Sound familiar? I think the Word of God is the second person of the Trinity. The biblical texts reflect the glory of God but are not God himself.

But they are divinely inspired. As are the dogmatic councils of the Church.

[Spartacus]

But they are divinely inspired. As are the dogmatic councils of the Church.

Citation please.

[robrecht]

But they are divinely inspired. As are the dogmatic councils of the Church.

Is a council truly ecumenical, ie, of the whole world, if it is only composed of some representatives of some Christians who are already in union with the bishop of Rome? Is conciliar infallibility merely a function of papal infallibility? Why have a council? Is it more infallible than the pope?

[tabibito]

I'm pretty sure denying the infallibility of the word of God is pretty much the ultimate heresy.

That would depend on a couple of points:
1/ Has "the word of God" been properly defined by the person who is calling others heretics? (assuming that "the word" referred to is the Biblical record.)
2/ Are the heretical people denying a proper interpretation of the Biblical records in question?
maybe other points as well

Also worth remembering - the claim that the Bible is the word of God only arose during the reformation.

[Spartacus]

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...itatis-Humanae

Dignitatis Humanae thread here.

[TimelessTheist]

Citation please.

I need to give you a citation to show that the Bible is divinely inspired?

[Spartacus]

I need to give you a citation to show that the Bible is divinely inspired?

To explain the nature of Biblical divine inspiration as it relates to infallibility, inerrancy, etc, as well as to the teaching authority of the Church.

[TimelessTheist]

To explain the nature of Biblical divine inspiration as it relates to infallibility, inerrancy, etc, as well as to the teaching authority of the Church.

It means that the original authors of the books could not error in transmitting the facts.