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This is the forum where world history, in general, can be discussed. Since the WH201, like the other fora in the World History department, is not limited to participation along lines of theology, all may post here.
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The Truth About Emperor Frederick The Second
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The Truth About Emperor Frederick The Second
Better to illuminate than merely to shine, to deliver to others contemplated truths than merely to contemplate.
-Thomas Aquinas
I love to travel, But hate to arrive.
-Hernando Cortez
What is the good of experience if you do not reflect?
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Although I am not a secularist, I thank you for the educational video.-The universe begins to look more like a great thought than a great machine.
Sir James Jeans
-This most beautiful system (The Universe) could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being.All variety of created objects which represent order and Life in the Universe could happen only by the willful reasoning of its original Creator, whom I call the Lord God.
Sir Isaac Newton
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Originally posted by Quantum Weirdness View PostAlthough I am not a secularist, I thank you for the educational video.Better to illuminate than merely to shine, to deliver to others contemplated truths than merely to contemplate.
-Thomas Aquinas
I love to travel, But hate to arrive.
-Hernando Cortez
What is the good of experience if you do not reflect?
-Frederick 2, Holy Roman Emperor
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Originally posted by TimelessTheist View PostNah, I just said that because secularists often claim Frederick the Second as their own due to the myths made up about him.
It could possibly concluded that he had some Deist views, and possibly a In any historical analysis, it is important to avoid ascribing our modern perceptions of specific philosophies or ideologies to persons who lived long ago. Historians used to describe him as a Renaissance Man or free thinker as those phrases are understood today. He did establish the University of Naples independent of the Roman Church to promote a more secular education.
A careful reading of all his writings indicate he remained an establishment believer in God and the authority of the Roman Church. I do believe the description of him as a limited Renaissance thinker within the tradition of the Roman Church as ok.Last edited by shunyadragon; 08-26-2014, 03:01 PM.
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Some older historians of the early 20th century used such modern terms as free thinker to describe his views
It could possibly concluded that he had some Deist views,
Historians used to describe him as a Renaissance Man or free thinker
He did establish the University of Naples independent of the Roman Church to promote a more secular education.Last edited by TimelessTheist; 08-26-2014, 09:55 PM.Better to illuminate than merely to shine, to deliver to others contemplated truths than merely to contemplate.
-Thomas Aquinas
I love to travel, But hate to arrive.
-Hernando Cortez
What is the good of experience if you do not reflect?
-Frederick 2, Holy Roman Emperor
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Originally posted by TimelessTheist View PostEh, they describe him as an early secularist.
Most reliable academic sources describe him as secular leanings, as I did, and not a secularist. This use of secularist would be a contradiction.
No it can't. He was Roman Catholic, through and through.
Well, I agree with the first one, however the term 'freethinker' is practically a meaningless term now-a-days.
Eh, all universities not built by the Church itself were considered separate from the Church. Though, there's no evidence that he did it to provide a more "secular education", whatever that means, especially since Thomas Aquinas attended it.Last edited by shunyadragon; 08-28-2014, 08:02 AM.
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