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  • #46
    Thanks John,
    My comment was in regards to my own view. I'm in the process of trying to properly learn the preterist view point.
    For example, in my view point, I understand,

    "And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. . . . " -- Romans 16:20. That "shortly" here should better be read, "speedily." While this allows the view point of that being yet future, I also do not see it negating/disallowing a preterist interpretation either.
    . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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    • #47
      Originally posted by 37818 View Post
      Thanks John,
      My comment was in regards to my own view. I'm in the process of trying to properly learn the preterist view point.
      For example, in my view point, I understand,

      "And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. . . . " -- Romans 16:20. That "shortly" here should better be read, "speedily." While this allows the view point of that being yet future, I also do not see it negating/disallowing a preterist interpretation either.
      The prepositional phrase ἐν τάχει is defined in BDAG, in the context of both Ro 16:20 and Rv 1:1, as "adverbial unit soon, in a short time". That is why every translation I know of renders the phrase "soon" or "shortly".

      The noun in the prepositional phrase ἐν τάχει is τάχος, for which the following is the entry in BDAG:
      τάχος
      1. a very brief period of time, with focus on speed of an activity or event
      , speed, quickness, swiftness, haste, μετὰ τάχους with speed (Pla., Prot. 332b, Leg. 944c; POxy 2107, 4 [III AD]) MPol 13:1.—ἐν τάχει (Pind., Aeschyl. et al.; Galen, CMG V/9/2 p. 25, 25 al.; ins, pap, LXX; Jos., Ant. 6, 163; 17, 83) quickly, at once, without delay Ac 10:33 D; 12:7; 17:15 D; 22:18; 1 Cl 48:1; 63:4.—τάχει (Tetrast. Iamb. 2, 6, 1 p. 287; SibOr 1, 205; in Plut., Caes. 717 [20, 4], Lys. 438 [11, 2] w. the addition of πολλῷ, παντί; cp. Just., D. 68, 3 σὺν τάχει) quickly Rv 2:5 v.l. {p. 993} (s. Tdf.).—τὸ τάχος as accusative of specification, adverbially (very) quickly, without delay (PHib 62, 13; PPetr II, 9, 2, 9; PSI 326, 12; 495, 17; 18 [all III BC]; LXX; Jos., Ant. 13, 8. Without the art. as early as Aeschyl.) 1 Cl 53:2; B 4:8; 14:3 (w. all three cp. Ex 32:7).
      2. pertaining to a relatively brief time subsequent to another point of time, ἐν τάχει as adverbial unit soon, in a short time Lk 18:8; Ro 16:20; 1 Ti 3:14; Rv 1:1; 22:6; 1 Cl 65:1; shortly Ac 25:4. Cp. ταχύς 2.—DELG s.v. ταχύς. M-M.
      Last edited by John Reece; 01-26-2014, 12:56 PM.

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