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"It's evolution; every time you invent something fool-proof, the world invents a better fool."
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"Preach the gospel, and if necessary use words." - Most likely St.Francis
I find that evolution is the best proof of God.
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Originally posted by klaus54 View PostAfter reading through this thread, does anyone have even a shadow of a doubt that creationists of the ilk of Jorge, Cerebrum, and JR just completely nuts?
K54
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Yet by insinuation or outright assertion, they take on the mantle of articulating God given truth.Last edited by rwatts; 09-01-2014, 06:57 PM.
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Originally posted by Irate Canadian View Post
You honestly think Cerebrum is a fundy?
How would you classify such hyperbolic rejection of something that's obviously true (misuse of a theory does not obviate the theory)?
I classify a Fundy as someone who is so cocksure of his/her ideology that they even reject clear-as-the-blue-sky FACTS.
In this case C123 accepts the false argument ("category error", "is/ought" fallacy) of Jorge's in light of it's obvious falsehood.
K54
P.S. Is this the start of the creationist Inquisition?
Eppur si muove!!!
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Originally posted by rwatts View PostThe problem is, I've yet to meet a creationist who can defend creation science and attack mainstream science with any consistency and coherence. Out of the hundreds of creationists I've met on these forums, I've only come across four or five who show any understanding of the theory. And their hated of Darwin and his idea is palpable.
Yet by insinuation or outright assertion, they take on the mantle of articulating God given truth.
Is it possible that Jorge, C123, and JR are that dense??
Or something worse?
K54
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Originally posted by klaus54 View PostBaloney.
Not only are you wrong about Chuck Darwin, as Rogue06 has brilliantly demonstrated with copious references, but even if Chuck were worse than a combination of Caligula, Attila, and Hitler, it would not affect his science one itty-bit!!!
In science the only way to discredit something is to demonstrate that it does not match up to the facts and evidence. While with a religion you can discredit it by showing that its founder is a fraud and some sort of reprobate, with science it is only what the evidence reveals that counts.
Even so, most of his critics are willing to concede that he was a decent human being with nary a whiff of scandal about him. While I wouldn't call him a saint by all accounts he was a good man.Last edited by rogue06; 09-01-2014, 07:19 PM.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThat is a point that often seems to get lost in these discussions. Darwin could have roasted and ate orphan babies, locked the doors of hospitals and set fire to the buildings with all the patients trapped inside, pushed little old ladies down stairs, kicked puppies and even tore the "Do Not Remove Under Penalty of Law" stickers off mattresses and it would do nothing to invalidate evolutionary theory.
In science the only way to discredit something is to demonstrate that it does not match up to the facts and evidence. While with a religion you can discredit it by showing that its founder is a fraud and some sort of reprobate, with science it is only what the evidence reveals that counts."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by rwatts View PostThe problem is, I've yet to meet a creationist who can defend creation science .
but I , speaking for myself, do not claim there is such a thing as "creation science"
I put the Bible creation account in SOME OTHER category:
Bible Creation account, recorded in Genesis, (and specified in Gospel of John 1:3 and Paul's Epistle to the Colossians 1:16)
IS NOT category-Science
I believe it belongs in
Category: HISTORY
....not category: ScienceTo say that crony capitalism is not true/free market capitalism, is like saying a grand slam is not true baseball, or like saying scoring a touchdown is not true American football ...Stefan Mykhaylo D
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Originally posted by jordanriver View PostI can't speak for everybody who knows and believes The Bible,
but I , speaking for myself, do not claim there is such a thing as "creation science"
I put the Bible creation account in SOME OTHER category:
Bible Creation account, recorded in Genesis, (and specified in Gospel of John 1:3 and Paul's Epistle to the Colossians 1:16)
IS NOT category-Science
I believe it belongs in
Category: HISTORY
....not category: Science
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Originally posted by klaus54 View PostBut in this case, they are not defending anything. All they are doing is making an obvious category error and committing (at least) two logical fallacies. These errors are as plain as day, yet they are going all "Charge of the Light Brigade" to defend their nonsense.
Is it possible that Jorge, C123, and JR are that dense??
Or something worse?
K54
His confidence seems to be born out of sheer ignorance, and as long as he thinks his ideas about the Bible and evolution are God given ideas then he will remain ignorant, and cock-sure of himself.
It's a real tragedy because Christianity does not have to be like this.
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Originally posted by jordanriver View PostI can't speak for everybody who knows and believes The Bible,
but I , speaking for myself, do not claim there is such a thing as "creation science"
I put the Bible creation account in SOME OTHER category:
Bible Creation account, recorded in Genesis, (and specified in Gospel of John 1:3 and Paul's Epistle to the Colossians 1:16)
IS NOT category-Science
I believe it belongs in
Category: HISTORY
....not category: Science
The evidence in the rocks, stars, and life completely obviates YECism, which makes a complete mockery of the "second book of Creation."
The ANE cultural history is not consistent with Sunday School level YECism.
Natural science doesn't obviate Christianity for the majority of Christendom.
Anyway, your history argument has absolutely NOTHING to do with this thread.
K54
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Originally posted by rwatts View PostLike science, history is about ideas and claims. As such, those claims are open to analysis and testing.
Sometimes you have to make a choice between the credibility of an eyewitness or competing interpretations of physical evidence.
I think the jury's still out where I live , the USA.To say that crony capitalism is not true/free market capitalism, is like saying a grand slam is not true baseball, or like saying scoring a touchdown is not true American football ...Stefan Mykhaylo D
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Originally posted by klaus54 View PostAfter reading through this thread, does anyone have even a shadow of a doubt that creationists of the ilk of Jorge, Cerebrum, and JR just completely nuts?
K54
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by jordanriver View Postsometimes all you got is an eyewitness.
Sometimes you have to make a choice between the credibility of an eyewitness or competing interpretations of physical evidence.
I think the jury's still out where I live , the USA.
There are plenty of eyewitnesses who can look at the vast compendium of consilient geologic, astrophysical, and biological data and say with great confidence that the truth is deep time and deep history that completely defies any attempt at a YEC explanation.
Perhaps the eyewitness you mention wasn't trying to write a science book? Hmmm... Think about that.
Again, this has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread. But, you threw out a YEC propaganda term, I figured it had to be addressed.
K54
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Originally posted by klaus54 View PostPerhaps the eyewitness you mention wasn't trying to write a science book? Hmmm... Think about that.To say that crony capitalism is not true/free market capitalism, is like saying a grand slam is not true baseball, or like saying scoring a touchdown is not true American football ...Stefan Mykhaylo D
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI haven't read enough of JR's posts to comment but I don't think it is fair to class Cere in the same category as Jorge. When he is here Cere will usually at least try to present evidence and defend it rather than falling back on calling those who disagree drunk, drugged, deranged, dumb or deceitful. While I may disagree with him and the conclusion that he draws Cere is no Jorge.
JR is all over with her/his statements. 1) No boundary between micro/macro evolutions. 2) evolution only within the undefinable notion of "kinds", 3) Both understanding and not understanding the notion of scientific proof, 4) Poking fun at "Darwinists"... Oh, and seemingly proud his/her confusion.
And both JR and Cereb have demonstrated agreement with Jorge on his thesis which is trivially false. Neither of them understand the SIMPLE fact that Jorge's committing logical fallacies.
What else should I conclude? Outside these few threads I don't know either of em from a can of beans.
But if you say they're in a different category than Jorge, I'll certainly take that under advisement.
K54
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