Thread: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
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July 13th 2006, 06:17 PM #31
Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
In My experience I fight fire with fire.
The Adam and Ever story.
The Story of Noah.
Samual and his conquests.
These has always proven powerful grounds for disapproval of Bible Ideology, whatever it may be (Symbolisim, Local Events, Justifiable reasonings of God).
I apply Mythology to all of these accounts.
Discrediting the writtings of the Pauline and Gospels as being pious fraud builds a good foundation for the Jesus Myth.
Then again non of these will work against the uncatergorized christians whom claim to be christian, but don't beleave in the bible.
go figure?I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them tumble down
no fault, none to blame it doesn't mean I don't desire to
point the finger, blame the other, watch the temple topple over.
To bring the pieces back together, rediscover communicatioooon.
The poetry that comes from the squaring off between,
And the circling is worth it.
Finding beauty in the dissonance.
There was a time that the pieces fit, but I watched them fall away.
Mildewed and smoldering, strangled by our coveting
I've done the the math enough to know the dangers of a second guessing
Doomed to crumble unless we grow, and strengthen our communicatioooon.
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July 13th 2006, 06:24 PM #32
Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
Originally posted by Griggsy

that is so going in my AOL away messages.I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them tumble down
no fault, none to blame it doesn't mean I don't desire to
point the finger, blame the other, watch the temple topple over.
To bring the pieces back together, rediscover communicatioooon.
The poetry that comes from the squaring off between,
And the circling is worth it.
Finding beauty in the dissonance.
There was a time that the pieces fit, but I watched them fall away.
Mildewed and smoldering, strangled by our coveting
I've done the the math enough to know the dangers of a second guessing
Doomed to crumble unless we grow, and strengthen our communicatioooon.
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July 26th 2006, 11:33 AM #33
Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
Best argument for Christianity is that it makes you feel better. Like a stiff drink or a sleeping pill it can pacify you. If you require something to "make it all go away" Christianity might be your best bet. As far as cult leaders go Jesus isn't that bad. He's a cult leader you could have a glass of wine with.
Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.
-Robert Kennedy, Day of Affirmation Address, Capetown University, South Africa 1966.
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July 28th 2006, 10:56 AM #34
Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
I always thought the "whether or not they happened" bit was a red herring
if Christianity is right... which I highly doubt but am not closed too... then those stories whether fact or fiction were divinely inspired. So they have to be there for a reason unless their god likes doing pointless thingsLight, in the absence of eyes, illuminates nothing. Visible forms are not inherent in the world, but are granted by the act of seeing. Though the world and events do exist independent of mind, they obtain of no meaning in themselves: none that the mind is not guilty of imposing on them. I bid my people follow, and like all good equations, they follow; for full endowment of purpose, they do submit - in turn, they resign me to a role inhuman, impossible, and unaccountable. But I can no longer stand the sleepless nights. ...I think I am learning to love the Demiurge. - Trevor Goodchild (Aeon Flux Episode:demiurge)
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August 1st 2006, 05:04 PM #35
Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
The best argument for Christianity is the one they made to my ancestors: Convert to Christianity or we'll burn you at the stake. That's quite effective.
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August 1st 2006, 09:41 PM #36
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Gaytheist, so right . Welcome aboard!
Originally posted by Gaytheist
Logic is the bane of theists.
Fr. Griggs rests in his Socratic ignorance and humble naturalism.
" Religion is mythinformation."
Englishman
" God is in a worse position than the Scarecrow who had a body to which a mind could enter whilst God has neither!
"
God is that married bachelor and so cannot exist. No wonder He is ineffable!
"Ignostic Morgan
" Life is its own validation and reward and ultimate meaning to which neither God nor the future state could further validate."
Inquiring Lynn
" Belief does not make truth.
Evidence makes truth.
And belief does not make evidence. ' Union Blue
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August 2nd 2006, 12:42 AM #37
Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
This is the correct snark remark.
Originally posted by Gaytheist
Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.
-Robert Kennedy, Day of Affirmation Address, Capetown University, South Africa 1966.
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August 7th 2006, 05:49 AM #38
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Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
Bagger Vance and other skeptics , please help my comments at my threads along to further the cause of rationalism. Thanks.
Originally posted by Bagger_Vance
Logic is the bane of theists.
Fr. Griggs rests in his Socratic ignorance and humble naturalism.
" Religion is mythinformation."
Englishman
" God is in a worse position than the Scarecrow who had a body to which a mind could enter whilst God has neither!
"
God is that married bachelor and so cannot exist. No wonder He is ineffable!
"Ignostic Morgan
" Life is its own validation and reward and ultimate meaning to which neither God nor the future state could further validate."
Inquiring Lynn
" Belief does not make truth.
Evidence makes truth.
And belief does not make evidence. ' Union Blue
http://fathergriggs.wordpress.com
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October 5th 2006, 12:50 AM #39
Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
i dont know if i'm allowed to post here or not,so delete this if i'm not
Originally posted by EvoUK
what about the arguement from archeology? there's been a whole lot more people/places/things in the bible confirmed than any other book in antiquity.
there's a lot more work to get to christianity,but in the end all of it ultimately hinges on proving the bible to be reliable, doesn't it?CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL !!!
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October 6th 2006, 07:40 AM #40
Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
Come on. There is not a single place in Livius which is not confirmed.
Originally posted by djdavo
And how would this confirmation by way of ordinary claims tend to prove the extraordinary claims of the Bible ?Regards,
HRG.
The Declaration of Independence of humanity:
"Man is the measure of everything" - Protagoras
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October 6th 2006, 09:06 AM #41
Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
Hi guys! I can't think of an arguement that would make Christianity true, however, I think there are things that can make it appealing. Love, generosity, kindness towards everyone, etc. I also know that church service to some Christians is a sort of therapy for them. It gives them strength, and a sense of belonging.
These things to not outweigh the horrible things about Christianity, nor do they make it 'truth'."Religion consists in a set of things which the average man thinks he believes and wishes he was certain of." - Mark Twain
"I got mauled by a conjunction once. Very painful." - Ryokan
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October 6th 2006, 09:38 AM #42
Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
By that logic, since Macbeth had real places and people in it, there must have really been witches and the events must have happened exactly as described. And the whole play was not a shameless piece of brown nosing by Shakespeare after James VI took the throne of England.
Originally posted by djdavo
To rebel against a powerful political, economic, religious, or social establishment is very dangerous and very few people do it, except, perhaps, as part of a mob. To rebel against the "scientific" establishment, however, is the easiest thing in the world, and anyone can do it and feel enormously brave, without risking as much as a hangnail. Thus, the vast majority, who believe in astrology and think that the planets have nothing better to do than form a code that will tell them whether tomorrow is a good day to close a business deal or not, become all the more excited and enthusiastic about the bilge when a group of astronomers denounces it.
- Asimov
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October 6th 2006, 09:44 AM #43
Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
I want to go on record as stating the following:
Stabby has the best avatars."Religion consists in a set of things which the average man thinks he believes and wishes he was certain of." - Mark Twain
"I got mauled by a conjunction once. Very painful." - Ryokan
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October 6th 2006, 04:08 PM #44
Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
most mythology is based on actual events...
Originally posted by djdavo
Light, in the absence of eyes, illuminates nothing. Visible forms are not inherent in the world, but are granted by the act of seeing. Though the world and events do exist independent of mind, they obtain of no meaning in themselves: none that the mind is not guilty of imposing on them. I bid my people follow, and like all good equations, they follow; for full endowment of purpose, they do submit - in turn, they resign me to a role inhuman, impossible, and unaccountable. But I can no longer stand the sleepless nights. ...I think I am learning to love the Demiurge. - Trevor Goodchild (Aeon Flux Episode:demiurge)
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December 6th 2006, 06:16 AM #45
Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
The question is somewhat ambiguous as it can be interpreted as "the truth of Christianity" or "the positive influence of Christianity."
It is a fact that science has progressed most in Christian countries. I suppose that is be best argument for Christianity, but somehow I feel unclean stating this.
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