Thread: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
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April 19th 2007, 05:15 PM #46
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Male - AtheistRe: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
Archaeology and history have disconfirmed many thing in the book- no Deluge, no Exodus and no genocide} The Hebrews probaly were just Caananites! See the "Unauthorized Version,'The Bible Unearthed" and "Who were the Jews and where did they come from." Men used their imaginations to put it together and brayed that God told them so!
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" Life is its own validation and reward and ultimate meaning to which neither God nor the future state could further validate."
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May 28th 2007, 02:33 PM #47
Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
I don't know of any good arguements for Christianity in specific (and I have heard many). There is a good one for the practicality theism in general. It provides a set of rules that a society can live by, thus decreasing anxiety and fighting of those who are a part of the society. A binary system or morals (usualy assocated with theism) is more simplistic than other forms of moral. That leads to the morals being more clear to those in the society and easier to follow. There are, of course, draw backs, but that would be off topic.
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May 25th 2008, 07:13 AM #48
Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
I think the historical jesus argument is very convincing and the prophecy angle gets a lot of mileage. Plus it's one sweet deal. With virtually no effort on ones part (just utter a few words) one is on their way to a better life, has a personal close friend in jesus, is "freed" from sin (but not from sinning), and will spend an eternity if a far better place. Regardless of how evil one might be, they can, by invoking the blood of jesus and saying they believe, get forgiveness and acceptance by the creator of the universe. No prerequisites, and actually no post-requisites.
So why don't I take advantage of it? Can't lie to myself.
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June 5th 2008, 09:04 PM #49
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Male - AtheistRe: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
Ah, but that is the divine protection racket! John 3:16-18 shows misanthropy~,One can love ones neighbor , while enslaving her.
Yeshua was just another cult leader, another fanactic!
Logic is the bane of theists.
Fr. Griggs rests in his Socratic ignorance and humble naturalism.
" Religion is mythinformation."
Englishman
" God is in a worse position than the Scarecrow who had a body to which a mind could enter whilst God has neither!
"
God is that married bachelor and so cannot exist. No wonder He is ineffable!
"Ignostic Morgan
" Life is its own validation and reward and ultimate meaning to which neither God nor the future state could further validate."
Inquiring Lynn
" Belief does not make truth.
Evidence makes truth.
And belief does not make evidence. ' Union Blue
http://fathergriggs.wordpress.com
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June 6th 2008, 11:52 AM #50
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June 6th 2008, 01:04 PM #51
Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
I've heard it suggested that the common Christian opposition to recreational drugs is to prevent adherents from inducing mystical experiences outside of the approved religious context.
Makes sense. If Christian belief is your only source of wonderment and 'woah', it will tend to strike you as qualitatively different from dry reports of false belief systems.
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July 13th 2008, 12:29 AM #52
Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
The best argument for Christianity I've heard have been about ultimate meaning or absolute morality.
It's sobering to think that all meaning, morality and the like really only have human, terrestrial significance.
What's worse, is that there really isn't any transcendent reason not to kill ourselves, since death is oblivion and we wouldn't suffer from it either way...
Christianity does offer existential hope there. Life culminates in a better existence after, which is triumphal and perfected."We all live with the objective of being happy; our lives are all different and yet the same."
— Anne Frank
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July 13th 2008, 09:39 PM #53
Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
..Thinking about it, that wouldn't be an argument for just Christianity.. Other religions (and even some forms of atheistic idealism) might offer some sort of ultimate significance or claim to.
"We all live with the objective of being happy; our lives are all different and yet the same."
— Anne Frank
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July 21st 2008, 02:13 PM #54
Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
I think "hope."
And who the heck wants to go to hell?
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November 8th 2009, 01:12 AM #56
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Male - AtheistRe: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
Bubba, you have found yourself! You are your own person, not the sheep or the clay of some celestial tyrant. Do read the our naturalist threads to furhhter know why God is a non-concept to non-questions.Google arguments about Him that square circle to find out what others reveal about His non-existence. Google also the problem of Hwaven. Google skepitc griggsy to find more sites that can further your educaton.
Logic is the bane of theists.
Fr. Griggs rests in his Socratic ignorance and humble naturalism.
" Religion is mythinformation."
Englishman
" God is in a worse position than the Scarecrow who had a body to which a mind could enter whilst God has neither!
"
God is that married bachelor and so cannot exist. No wonder He is ineffable!
"Ignostic Morgan
" Life is its own validation and reward and ultimate meaning to which neither God nor the future state could further validate."
Inquiring Lynn
" Belief does not make truth.
Evidence makes truth.
And belief does not make evidence. ' Union Blue
http://fathergriggs.wordpress.com
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July 24th 2012, 04:16 AM #57
Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
stumbled upon this on a google search. as someone who identifies as a Christian the response I always give when confronted with this question is simple.
10 of the 12 disciples were killed for their faith. Judas hung himself. John died in exile. Numerous reports of these killings exist as they were done by the Romans who documented such events. They were offered freedom if they would recant their religion, and clearly one can see what choice they made. If their support of Jesus was illegitimate in any way then they would have known claiming Christianity as truth would do them no good. If another religion has it right, then they would know it and recant in an effort to save the only life they could be certain they would have, but they chose to die rather than recant their faith. This would only be done logically if they were certain that they could be guaranteed a life after this one. My wording probably isn't the best but I think any rational person can see the point I am attempting to make if I was not entirely clear. Dying for their faith does them no good if it isn't real. They better than anyone would know whether it was real or not. Their executions are documented by their executors, so they did in fact happen. I also saw a thing based on salvation by works or salvation by faith a couple of pages back. The answer to this question isn't very hard. If you truly believe your actions will show it. In essence, they go hand in hand, although one does of course need to proceed the other.
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Re: Best Arguments FOR Christianity
I understand that we have no real records of those people as martyrs,except for a couple. Some Christians did as the government told them. Christians have overnoted the number of martyrs, and I dare say, other Christians murdered more Christians than the Romans did! Rome hardly persecuted them.
Coummunists died for their ideology. People change for the better due all matters of reasons, so Keith Ward, that born-again advanced theologian doing better due to God is bunk! His own inner resources came through, but he prefers to recognize that square circle as the impetus for his actions!
Theists rob natural causes as their own bosses and rob themselves as their own saviors! Poor thngs!
When Peter Kreeft or any other relgious addict advises us to let the Holy Spirit enter us, he expects, like Blaise Pascal, for us to self-brainwash!
Listen to Union BLue below!
Logic is the bane of theists.
Fr. Griggs rests in his Socratic ignorance and humble naturalism.
" Religion is mythinformation."
Englishman
" God is in a worse position than the Scarecrow who had a body to which a mind could enter whilst God has neither!
"
God is that married bachelor and so cannot exist. No wonder He is ineffable!
"Ignostic Morgan
" Life is its own validation and reward and ultimate meaning to which neither God nor the future state could further validate."
Inquiring Lynn
" Belief does not make truth.
Evidence makes truth.
And belief does not make evidence. ' Union Blue
http://fathergriggs.wordpress.com
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