6 arrests during the DNC; hundreds BEFORE the RNC

[The Laughing Man]

Source

Police made just six arrests during the convention, including three protesters on Thursday, the final day of the gathering.

Source

Some 200 arrests were made yesterday, most of them for disorderly conduct. Over 400 have been arrested since Friday when protests surrounding the Republican convention began.

Says a lot, doesn't it?

[apostate]

Yeah. Politics suck.

[Twilly Spree]

The 500,000 people there protesting says alot.

[bar Jonah]

The 500,000 people there protesting says alot.

Yup... Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

[The Laughing Man]

The 500,000 people there protesting says alot.

Yeah, they said a lot, full of sound and fury, but they signified nothing.

[Bill Mutz]

More protesters = more chaos.

[BeHereNow]

Yeah, they said a lot, full of sound and fury, but they signified nothing.

Nice evasion. Twilly's point was that, as volume rises, so will the actual numbers of those participating in marginal behavior.

So let's crunch the numbers, shall we? From what I know, there were only about 200-300 protestors at the DNC, but 6 got arrested. There were 500,000 protestors at the RNC and 400 were arrested. Let's be generous and use the 300 number for the calculation.

6 / 300 = 0.02 or 2%
400 / 500,000 = 0.0008 or 1/8th of 1% (I think.. my percentage conversion skills suck.)

If you ask me, I think it's telling that there was such a voluminous difference in protest sizes between the two. Feel free to twist that to mean something I didn't.

[Bill Mutz]

Yeah, they said a lot, full of sound and fury, but they signified nothing.

Turnout...

[Xavier]

2/25th of 1% or 8/10000ths

Anywho, This is not particularly surprising to me anyway. The Left is typically a tad louder in their demostrations. They typically have more of them and more people typically attend them. I believe this is because of the many niche groups within liberalism today: enviromentalists, pacifists, socialists, gays-lesbians, pro-choice, etc. Each group is known for their outspokeness, and they all happen to be more likely to vote Democrat.

Republicans, on the other hand, aren't as inclined to such public displays at least that has been my experience. The Anti-Abortion crowd is particular noisy, but other than that I can't think of another noisy Right niche.

That's my thought for what they're worth.

Yours,
Xavier

[Bill Mutz]

2/25th of 1% or 8/10000ths

Anywho, This is not particularly surprising to me anyway. The Left is typically a tad louder in their demostrations. They typically have more of them and more people typically attend them. I believe this is because of the many niche groups within liberalism today: enviromentalists, pacifists, socialists, gays-lesbians, pro-choice, etc. Each group is known for their outspokeness, and they all happen to be more likely to vote Democrat.

Republicans, on the other hand, aren't as inclined to such public displays at least that has been my experience. The Anti-Abortion crowd is particular noisy, but other than that I can't think of another noisy Right niche.

That's my thought for what they're worth.

Yours,
Xavier

Yes, liberal activists do have a tendency to be more rowdy. I apologize on behalf of those who become...overenthusiastic. They mean well.

[The Laughing Man]

Nice evasion. Twilly's point was that, as volume rises, so will the actual numbers of those participating in marginal behavior.

No, actually. Her point was raw numbers. Her point was 500,000 (NOT!) people attended. Nevermind that they couldn't agree on much more than they all hated Bush and Republicans, and that "Fox News sucks..."

So let's crunch the numbers, shall we? From what I know, there were only about 200-300 protestors at the DNC, but 6 got arrested. There were 500,000 protestors at the RNC and 400 were arrested. Let's be generous and use the 300 number for the calculation.

"From what I know." "Generous." Try 5000:

Pick your source

And the number of protesters in NYC wasn't anywhere near 500,000 according to several sources:

Pick your source again

6 / 300 = 0.02 or 2%
400 / 500,000 = 0.0008 or 1/8th of 1% (I think.. my percentage conversion skills suck.)

6 / 5000 = 0.0012 or 0.12%
400 / 100,000 = 0.004 or 0.4%

If you ask me, I think it's telling that there was such a voluminous difference in protest sizes between the two.

I agree. Republicans obviously don't feel the need to protest as much as Democrats do. We don't need to disrupt traffic and parade around naked while chanting vulgarities.

Feel free to twist that to mean something I didn't.

Feel free to make up more numbers off the top of your head.

[The Laughing Man]

The 500,000 people there protesting says alot.

BTW, Twilly, what's your source for this ridiculously bloated number?

[BeHereNow]

No, actually. Her point was raw numbers. Her point was 500,000 (NOT!) people attended. Nevermind that they couldn't agree on much more than they all hated Bush and Republicans, and that "Fox News sucks..."

I don't think you know what her point was, Jinx. It's obvious that you intend to twist everything any opponent says to mean the most ridiculous thing it could mean.

"From what I know." "Generous." Try 5000:

"From what I know" was a direct result of me typing in "DNC protestors" in Yahoo! and using an aggregate number that I saw from the results page. See what I meant above?

Pick your source

And the number of protesters in NYC wasn't anywhere near 500,000 according to several sources:

Pick your source again

Yes, pick your source when you type in the answer you want. Hint: "100,000 protestors" is not the thing to type if you're looking for the number of protestors at the RNC. "RNC protestors" would work much better. When I typed it, though, I got "at least 120,000" as the threshold. So...

6/5000 = 0.12%
400/120,000 = 0.3%

If the numbers are correct, we are looking at about a 4x rate of arrest at the RNC protest as compared to the DNC protest, which could correspond with Bill Mutz's claim that higher volume leads to more mayhem.

I know this isn't the provocative explanation you seek, but hey... sometimes reality is boring, isn't it?

I agree. Republicans obviously don't feel the need to protest as much as Democrats do. We don't need to disrupt traffic and parade around naked while chanting vulgarities.

Thanks for doing exactly what I said by twisting my words to mean something else. What a great example you set.

Feel free to make up more numbers off the top of your head.

I got one number from Twilly (don't know her source) and another from Yahoo. Do you need some salt to go with your foot?

[Bill Mutz]

Yeah, Twilly! Where did you get that nonsense? Anybody who's anybody knows it was only half as much!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...how/832753.cms

[The Laughing Man]

I don't think you know what her point was, Jinx.

No, it's pretty obvious what her point was. "The 500,000 people there protesting says alot." She's refering to the number of people there meaning something.

It's obvious that you intend to twist everything any opponent says to mean the most ridiculous thing it could mean.

No, that's your job. Try as you might, though, it's pretty easy for me to expose it.

"From what I know" was a direct result of me typing in "DNC protestors" in Yahoo! and using an aggregate number that I saw from the results page. See what I meant above?

Then maybe like me, you should have double-checked your numbers and relied on more than a cursory glance at the brief snippets from a handful of articles on a results page.

Yes, pick your source when you type in the answer you want. Hint: "100,000 protestors" is not the thing to type if you're looking for the number of protestors at the RNC. "RNC protestors" would work much better.

Hint: my use of the "100,000 protestors" link was after a generic search for "RNC protesters." The vast majority of then used the "100,000" number (988 results as opposed to only 34 for "120,000") so I refined my search and provided that for references.

When I typed it, though, I got "at least 120,000" as the threshold. So...

So... Anywhere from 100,000 to 120,000 is still a considerably different total than 500,000. In fact, the 20k difference is almost irrelevent. 20% vs. 24% of the 500k. Whoop-dee-flipping-doo.

6/5000 = 0.12%
400/120,000 = 0.3%

Still not a good reflection on the Democratic protesters, is it?

If the numbers are correct, we are looking at about a 4x rate of arrest at the RNC protest as compared to the DNC protest, which could correspond with Bill Mutz's claim that higher volume leads to more mayhem.

It certainly could if his claim had any merit. As there has been no proof one way or the other provided, the point is still debatable. I'm one to think that the percentages should've been closer to each other no matter how many people were present.

Of course, one would also think that Democrats protesting for peace would be less likely to be arrested.

I know this isn't the provocative explanation you seek, but hey... sometimes reality is boring, isn't it?

With Democrats around to provide amusement, reality is hardly ever boring.

Thanks for doing exactly what I said by twisting my words to mean something else. What a great example you set.

At least I'm providing an example. You just throw out statements like "I think it's telling that there was such a voluminous difference in protest sizes between the two" without any sort of explanation of what you mean, then you complain when other people provide their own explanations.

I sure you did that on purpose, though, just to have something to complain about. Typical.

I got one number from Twilly

And you trusted it?

(don't know her source)

I'm sure it will be an unbiased and completely objective source.

and another from Yahoo.

Yeah, I addressed your haphazard handling of that search already.

Do you need some salt to go with your foot?

Nope. Mine's planted firmly on the floor right now. Besides, you seem to need it more than I.