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Last edited by shunyadragon; 01-29-2014, 05:34 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Ged View PostShuny / Lao
Yes, but must we assume that the Genesis account was copied from these older stories that we just so happened to have found? Is it not equally as possible that the various accounts came from a common source as yet not found?
And if they stem from a common source, could it be possible that one account (not necessarily the oldest) did a better job transmitting the original story?
Copied is wrong. Formally, we're speaking of syncretism. Informally, what we're looking at is a re-purposing. The language I use personally is "extended metaphor." The flood tales out of Mesopotamia work inside a broad theme of destruction and redemption of a chosen few. This theme is exemplified here using what I think of as the "saved from a disastrous flood" extended metaphor.
Keep in mind that the earliest version involved only a single city, suitable for emphasizing the social bond within an individual city-state, and tied back to the archetype of that bond: their tutelary deity, ritually personified by the king in their yearly festivals. As the city-states combined to form the Sumerian empire, the Empire of Sumer and Akkad, and later the Babylonian empire, the floods in these tales grew in extent to cover the geographies of the relevant political entities, forming a wider bond between their peoples, and reflected in incrementally more powerful deities. A god of the whole world thus requires a flood that cover the whole world, or the whole world as it was known to the authors of the Biblical flood tale when it was composed.
We can imagine an oral tale existing in tandem that somehow managed to avoid contamination from the written tales, even as they were celebrated by the entire empire during their holidays, but this is not good scholarship. More, to imagine a tale written a thousand years later is somehow more accurate turns standard criticism on its head. We always look to the earliest known biblical texts when determining authenticity of later texts, don't we? Never the other way around.
Again, if we're looking for an actual flood behind the tales, this is not a task for textual criticism, but for archaeology, or even geology if we look even further back. Archaeology tells us there was no regional flood covering all of Mesopotamia, and geology tells us there was no global flood, either. Truth cannot contradict truth, as a well-known religious figure has famously said, tautologically.
As ever, Jesse
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An ark is box. Noah's floating box and the box of the covenant.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostKeep in mind that the earliest version involved only a single city
We always look to the earliest known biblical texts when determining authenticity of later texts, don't we? Never the other way around.
Again, if we're looking for an actual flood behind the tales, this is not a task for textual criticism, but for archaeology, or even geology if we look even further back. Archaeology tells us there was no regional flood covering all of Mesopotamia, and geology tells us there was no global flood, either. Truth cannot contradict truth, as a well-known religious figure has famously said, tautologically.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostAn ark is box. Noah's floating box and the box of the covenant.
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