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  • #16
    Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
    How does being convinced that Christ is able relate to this imaginary feeling of satisfaction? You are not making sense here.
    Pardon, I don't understand your point. Please explain.

    Thanks.
    ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
    ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
    https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
      That looks like a job for the Holy Spirit! Seriously, He does the mind renewing thing.
      So, you now understand that the kingdom of God is "not accessible " to "little" children?

      Maybe, you still don't....?
      ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
      ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
      https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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      • #18
        Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
        So, you now understand that the kingdom of God is "not accessible " to "little" children?

        Maybe, you still don't....?
        Little children can enter because they don't have shame and gladly accept gifts. It's a gift! You are over complicating things.
        If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
          How does being convinced that Christ is able relate to this imaginary feeling of satisfaction? You are not making sense here.
          Christianbookworm and I were both focusing on faith, being convinced, as opposed to some esoteric secret knowledge you claim to have that we do not.

          Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
          . . . This is an obvious problem with religions. When beliefs are merely driven by feelings of satisfaction it becomes unmoved by reason. Atheists themselves, without being satisfied of their limited existence, cannot survive.
          I am simply asking how it is that our being intellectually convinced of who Christ is and choosing to trust Him is related to these imaginary "feelings of satisfaction."
          Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
            Little children can enter because they don't have shame and gladly accept gifts. It's a gift! You are over complicating things.
            So, you really think that the kingdom of God is like "Neverland" where Peter Pan rules? Is that how you will glorify God? Aren't you annoying God that way?


            Look, Tootles, you even agree that a saved child will finally become a man with renewed knowledge through the working of the Spirit. So, if you are still "childlike", shouldn't you be asking yourself if the Spirit worked in you?

            We see that there are many who are truly childish and completely will give their life to God, but were their knowledge renewed? If you do not know what the "renewed knowledge" is like, then your belief collapses into nonsense.

            For goodness sake, we would need the "renewed knowledge" in seeking the kingdom of God. Wee need to seek the kingdom of God "first", then all other things will be added. Can you seek the kingdom with a childlike mind? that will be ridiculous.
            Last edited by FarEastBird; 10-17-2014, 08:56 PM.
            ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
            ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
            https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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            • #21
              Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
              So, you really think that the kingdom of God is like "Neverland" where Peter Pan rules? Is that how you will glorify God? Aren't you annoying God that way?


              Look, Tootles, you even agree that a saved child will finally become a man with renewed knowledge through the working of the Spirit. So, if you are still "childlike", shouldn't you be asking yourself if the Spirit worked in you?

              We see that there are many who are truly childish and completely will give their life to God, but were their knowledge renewed? If you do not know what the "renewed knowledge" is like, then your belief collapses into nonsense.

              For goodness sake, we would need the "renewed knowledge" in seeking the kingdom of God. Wee need to seek the kingdom of God "first", then all other things will be added. Can you seek the kingdom with a childlike mind? that will be ridiculous.
              No. You're mixing up justification, sanctification, and glorification Salvation is a free gift that one should gratefully accept, which is the only comparison to children. We aren't supposed to stay there. Getting into heaven= accepting God's offer of salvation. Rewards in heaven are as result of good works an being Christlike.
              If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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              • #22
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                Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                  No. You're mixing up justification, sanctification, and glorification......
                  How would you have known about those things when you are still a child, and still in the process of learning?

                  Salvation is a free gift that one should gratefully accept, which is the only comparison to children. We aren't supposed to stay there.
                  Right, so have you had a renewed knowledge? Again, if you still had a childlike mind, shouldn't you be asking if the spirit is working in you?


                  Getting into heaven= accepting God's offer of salvation. Rewards in heaven are as result of good works an being Christlike.
                  Yeah, you are convinced of that "good promise" because you do not know what salvation truly is. And obviously your belief on that "good promise" is not working in you. (((You, most likely, do not even know of what stage are you in your salvation.)))

                  Perhaps, if you still don't get the point, then show me your evidence that your belief works, and that you are not merely making "good promises"
                  Last edited by FarEastBird; 10-18-2014, 12:14 PM.
                  ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
                  ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
                  https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                    Christianbookworm and I were both focusing on faith, being convinced, as opposed to some esoteric secret knowledge you claim to have that we do not.
                    You see, the problem, Jedidiah, is how would you explain that your faith is no less to a simple believing on good promises, than supposed to believing it as truth.

                    Also, the knowledge I speak of is simply about maturity of mind. One can just know the difference in how we differ in thinking and understand things.


                    I am simply asking how it is that our being intellectually convinced of who Christ is and choosing to trust Him is related to these imaginary "feelings of satisfaction."
                    I am not preaching about having a "feeling of satisfaction." The gospel is about Truth. Making promises is only given initially to persuade people to learn of the gospel. But once a person learned of the truth of the gospel, then the person become convinced and come to know that all things that God will give is is because of the truth of His godhead. When one learned of the truth of the goodness of God, a believer has but understanding that God does things out of his goodness, even when we see of our unworthiness. On top of this is to understand the "GRACE" of God, which is given not through man's will.

                    Christianbokkworm's gospel of salvation to believe in order to be saved, is no less but attaining one's salvation through man's will. One can clearly see that his conviction/faith is flawed because not all of who believe are saved.
                    Last edited by FarEastBird; 10-18-2014, 12:15 PM.
                    ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
                    ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
                    https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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                    • #25
                      No. Take a theology class, why don't you? I'd rather take what Jesus said at face value.
                      If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
                        You see, the problem, Jedidiah, is how would you explain that your faith is no less to a simple believing on good promises, than supposed to believing it as truth.

                        Also, the knowledge I speak of is simply about maturity of mind. One can just know the difference in how we differ in thinking and understand things.




                        I am not preaching about having a "feeling of satisfaction." The gospel is about Truth. Making promises is only given initially to persuade people to learn of the gospel. But once a person learned of the truth of the gospel, then the person become convinced and come to know that all things that God will give is is because of the truth of His godhead. When one learned of the truth of the goodness of God, a believer has but understanding that God does things out of his goodness, even when we see of our unworthiness. On top of this is to understand the "GRACE" of God, which is given not through man's will.

                        Christianbokkworm's gospel of salvation to believe in order to be saved, is no less but attaining one's salvation through man's will. One can clearly see that his conviction/faith is flawed because not all of who believe are saved.
                        I see that you think you have a mature mind. You also seem to think that God has some sort of elitist intellectual cadre who must go about and explain that trusting in the death and resurrection of Christ is not enough. You can tell us we are not good enough, but you can not tell us what this mystical truth you know really is. Do you think God is some sort of trickster? I certainly do not.

                        Oh yes, and a childlike mind is not an ignorant one, but a humble one. Humility is what you seem to lack.
                        Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                          Rewards in heaven are as result of good works an being Christlike.
                          ? That seems like Roman Catholic doctrine anyway.
                          The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu

                          [T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
                            ? That seems like Roman Catholic doctrine anyway.
                            No one was talking about the Roman Catholics! ???
                            If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                            • #29
                              Hey FEB! Go to the Tektonics area and try to convince jpholding of the truth of your claims! I dare you!
                              If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                                I see that you think you have a mature mind. You also seem to think that God has some sort of elitist intellectual cadre who must go about and explain that trusting in the death and resurrection of Christ is not enough. You can tell us we are not good enough, but you can not tell us what this mystical truth you know really is.
                                I am sharing my knowledge openly, but you are against it and some of you had called me names even when they admit that they do not understand what I was talking about.

                                Do you think God is some sort of trickster? I certainly do not.
                                No, he is not. And that is certainly what I want others to believe. And this OP, as a matter of fact, is aimed to know God, and to avoid to believing on mere good promises.



                                Oh yes, and a childlike mind is not an ignorant one, but a humble one. Humility is what you seem to lack.
                                Humility? I have upheld with high regards the things I know right, but I never looked down on people.

                                By the way, preaching God and of teaching of his truth has nothing to do with humility. Do not mistook my decisiveness to stand on my faith as an act of hostility. And I do understand the same of everyone who stand on their faith. But what is wrong is wrong. If one find himself being wrong, and admit it, then that is humility.

                                This is vain subject though, one can just read the posts against me and they will know things about me on this subject. (((except, of course, who posted them, and their allies))))
                                ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
                                ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
                                https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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