Is the Affordable Care Act Working?

[Psychic Missile]

The purpose of ACA is to get more people dependent on the government.

How so?

[Sparko]

Sure. ACA works if the goal is to get more people insured and address some issues in that regard. However, it does not work if the goal is to heal the sick. The only solution to that problem is UHC, as found in Scandinavia, as well as many other countries.

As I said before, talk to mossrose about that.

Usually countries with UHC have crappy doctors, and you end up waiting forever to get even simple scans or X-rays done. By the time they figure out why you are sick, you have probably been dead 3 years.

It doesn't have to be that way but that is the way it generally ends up. I hear Cuba actually has a pretty good UHC system.

[Cow Poke]

How so?

By any means necessary, including extreme idiocy "you have to pass the bill to find out what's in it" and pathological lying "you can KEEP your doctor, period".

[Psychic Missile]

As I said before, talk to mossrose about that.

Usually countries with UHC have crappy doctors, and you end up waiting forever to get even simple scans or X-rays done. By the time they figure out why you are sick, you have probably been dead 3 years.

It doesn't have to be that way but that is the way it generally ends up. I hear Cuba actually has a pretty good UHC system.

I found that to be not the case at all. I've spoken with people from countries with universal healthcare and they have no complaints, but that's anecdotal evidence. I found this article that confirms my suspicions.

[Psychic Missile]

By any means necessary, including extreme idiocy "you have to pass the bill to find out what's in it" and pathological lying "you can KEEP your doctor, period".

I see those as problems, but I don't see how those create dependency on the government for anything but disappointment.

[Cow Poke]

I see those as problems, but I don't see how those create dependency on the government for anything but disappointment.

No, but those "problems" were necessary for the groundwork for this government power grab. I do commend you, however, for admitting those were problems. OTHERS here tried to rationalize and/or defend them!

[Sparko]

I found that to be not the case at all. I've spoken with people from countries with universal healthcare and they have no complaints, but that's anecdotal evidence. I found this article that confirms my suspicions.

I am sure you can google till you find something to confirm your suspicions (or more accurately your bias) no matter what the topic is. Such as that article which is not biased in the least

[Psychic Missile]

No, but those "problems" were necessary for the groundwork for this government power grab. I do commend you, however, for admitting those were problems. OTHERS here tried to rationalize and/or defend them!

I see your point, but still don't understand what it has to do with people dependent on something.

[Psychic Missile]

I am sure you can google till you find something to confirm your suspicions (or more accurately your bias) no matter what the topic is. Such as that article which is not biased in the least

The article is based on a study, and since you don't have any criticisms of the study, I can only assume that your problem is that it says something you don't want to hear.

[Cow Poke]

I see your point, but still don't understand what it has to do with people dependent on something.

What right does the government have to require that I purchase health insurance that THEY prescribe? It wasn't just "you can keep your doctor, period - you can keep your policy, period" - it was then modified to "well, if WE APPROVE of your policy, and don't declare it "junk", THEN you can keep your policy...." It was an outright lie to begin with.

[Psychic Missile]

What right does the government have to require that I purchase health insurance that THEY prescribe? It wasn't just "you can keep your doctor, period - you can keep your policy, period" - it was then modified to "well, if WE APPROVE of your policy, and don't declare it "junk", THEN you can keep your policy...." It was an outright lie to begin with.

Misrepresentation of the bill aside, I don't think the regulations are any different from FDA regulations on food or medicine. They are gate keeping a minimum quality. Whether those regulations are effective is a separate issue from whether regulations on health insurance cause dependency.

[Sparko]

The article is based on a study, and since you don't have any criticisms of the study, I can only assume that your problem is that it says something you don't want to hear.

a study by whom?

[Jedidiah]

As I said before, talk to mossrose about that.

Usually countries with UHC have crappy doctors, and you end up waiting forever to get even simple scans or X-rays done. By the time they figure out why you are sick, you have probably been dead 3 years.

It doesn't have to be that way but that is the way it generally ends up. I hear Cuba actually has a pretty good UHC system.

Sounds like the way we treat our veterans . . . oh wait that is the federal government isn't it?

[Bill the Cat]

Sounds like the way we treat our veterans . . . oh wait that is the federal government isn't it?

Try being a veteran who "only" served in the National Guard, yet did 14 months deployed for 9/11. I get NOTHING from the VA until I hit 64.

[Sparko]

Sounds like the way we treat our veterans . . . oh wait that is the federal government isn't it?