Recommendation of Preterism book for a poor, misinformed dispy

[bar Jonah]

I will be really delving into eschatology this winter for the first time (beyond the mere basics I've read already), and would like someone to recommend one or several books which they would like for me to read with the purpose or possibility of persuading me to preterism.

The Plot is (I believe) a remarkable book because more than almost any other book I've seen on the subject, it conveys a fairly comprehensive and very cohesive case for the Mid-Acts view (which goes considerably beyond just eschatology, which is a secondary issue in that view), and makes its case with over 10,000 scriptural references, researched over the course of 25 years.

I'm looking for a Preterist Plot, more or less. :ripurple:

I PMed Dee Dee a few weeks back, and she simply provided me with links to a couple free books that are online. I do appreciate those, sis, and I will check 'em out! But also, I would like a physical book for my library.

If possible, please give me at least two and up to three suggestions, in order of preference. I'd also appreciate it if you can make these suggestions in the next few days, as soon as possible.

Thanks muchly! :rithumb:

[Amazing Rando]

Try dis 'un!

Dat der'sa good 'un! Ayup!

[bar Jonah]

Try dis 'un!

Dat der'sa good 'un! Ayup!

Thanks.

But I don't see anything whatsoever in the description of that book that even mentions preterism...

[Amazing Rando]

Wright's not a "preterist" per se, but he's an incredible writer!

Many preterists believe his historical insights, especially regarding the nature of prophecy and eschatology in the New Testament, lend significant support to their views.

I read a smaller book of his a while ago in which he noted that prophetic and apocalyptic literature (such as Mark 13 or Matthew 24) is usually not talking about some time in the super-distant future, but is rather "infusing real space-time events with their theological significance. At least I think that's how he put it.

[bar Jonah]

I'm looking for a book that is specifically a comprehensive, persuasive (and obviously scriptural) case for Preterism. But I appreciate the suggestion, and I'll keep Wright in mind in the future for that topic. :riblack:

(And as far as prophecy about the tribulation is concerned, you know I agree with preterists that it was supposed to occur in the 1st century. We simply believe it was abrogated in response to Israel's rejection of her messiah. So that isn't even an issue for us. It's something we have in common!)

[Amazing Rando]

The problem with both Dispensationalism and Preterism is that they are pretty much completely ignored by the scholarly mainstream, even amongst Christian theologians. The most comprehensive expositions of dispensationalism and preterism are thus usually only going to be found in self-published books like The Plot, which often read more like manifestos than scholarly exegesis. If local libraries don't have it, and Amazon doesn't have it, I wouldn't recommend it.

How about just going to Amazon and typing in "preterism?"

Anyway, the reason I recommended Wright was because he would agree with the Preterist assessment that much of the Olivet Discourse does indeed relate to and predict the calamities surrounding the Jewish War of AD 66-70.

And you could always read JP Holding's essays on Eschatology here. They're the best promotion of Preterism on the web that I know of.

[bar Jonah]

The problem with both Dispensationalism and Preterism is that they are pretty much completely ignored by the scholarly mainstream, even amongst Christian theologians. The most comprehensive expositions of dispensationalism and preterism are thus usually only going to be found in self-published books like The Plot, which often read more like manifestos than scholarly exegesis. If local libraries don't have it, and Amazon doesn't have it, I wouldn't recommend it.

How about just going to Amazon and typing in "preterism?"

Anyway, the reason I recommended Wright was because he would agree with the Preterist assessment that much of the Olivet Discourse does indeed relate to and predict the calamities surrounding the Jewish War of AD 66-70.

And you could always read JP Holding's essays on Eschatology here. They're the best promotion of Preterism on the web that I know of.

I'll bookmark that link to the Notorious J.P.H., but I still want a physical book in my library.

And I know I can go to Amazon. But that gives me titles, not personal recommendations from people I know and respect.

[studyhound]

The problem with both Dispensationalism and Preterism is that they are pretty much completely ignored by the scholarly mainstream, even amongst Christian theologians. The most comprehensive expositions of dispensationalism and preterism are thus usually only going to be found in self-published books like The Plot, which often read more like manifestos than scholarly exegesis. If local libraries don't have it, and Amazon doesn't have it, I wouldn't recommend it.

How about just going to Amazon and typing in "preterism?"

Anyway, the reason I recommended Wright was because he would agree with the Preterist assessment that much of the Olivet Discourse does indeed relate to and predict the calamities surrounding the Jewish War of AD 66-70.

And you could always read JP Holding's essays on Eschatology here. They're the best promotion of Preterism on the web that I know of.

Agreed, I think the best bet is N.T. Wright. Start with the "what Saint Paul really said" and his volume of works:
The New Testament and the People of God (Christian Origins and the Question of God),

Jesus and the Victory of God (Christian Origins and the Question of God, Volume 2),

The Resurrection of the Son of God (Christian Origins and the Question of God),


The third one is the best bet in regards of the fulfillment of Mark 13 (a Matt. 24 Parallel). Though N.T. Wright is not a preterist in name (mostly because it is a Knee jerk reaction to a hyper-Preterist who gave him the wrong impression about the whole) He really deals with the symbolism the politics, and the culture, it gives you a great understanding of the whole picture that Jesus lived in and how and why he choose to say what he said.

Oh and the Bible........J/K

[themuzicman]

You do realize that you'll have to set aside many of your mid-acts dispy presuppositions to understand preterism, right?

[Dee Dee Warren]

Tsk, tsk, if RI had gone to my site, he would see that I have said:

DeMar, Gary

Last Days Madness ~ The seminal work on preterism. A must have for any eschatological student. If I had to recommend just one book, this would be it. Chapter 11, "Identifying Antichrist", can be found here


But still RI that free online book by schwertely is the bomb - just print it out put it in a notebook as I have done and you have a book for your library

LDM though is a must have

and other books are recommended here:

http://www.preteristlist.com/praeteristresources.html

[SteveF]

Somebody was developing a preterism website (that I put forward a few suggestions from the point of view of someone ignorant on the subject). How is it going?

[Amazing Rando]

Hey Dee Dee, I have a question for ya. As we all know, you're very dedicated to stamping out the Neo-Hymenyists or whatever they're called, but we've yet to see a single one appear on Tweb as far as I know. What gives? Where are they? I can't say I've ever seen or heard a person advocating the positions you say they do. Do you have any examples of their posts or writings you might point me to?

[bar Jonah]

You do realize that you'll have to set aside many of your mid-acts dispy presuppositions to understand preterism, right?

You do realize that you'll have to set aside may of your covenental presuppositions to understand the Mid-Acts, view, right?

Just to understand it? Excuse me? Hogwash. I've gone from covenental to dispensational. From Arminian to Open. From a Baptist view of separation of church and state to a pseudo-theocratic ideology.

Setting aside your presups is like setting aside all bias. Impossible. I don't need to "set aside" anything in order to change my mind, as my record shows ... and that's just in the course of less than 5 years.

Oops, off topic.

Agreed, I think the best bet is N.T. Wright. Start with the "what Saint Paul really said" and his volume of works:
The New Testament and the People of God (Christian Origins and the Question of God),

Jesus and the Victory of God (Christian Origins and the Question of God, Volume 2),

The Resurrection of the Son of God (Christian Origins and the Question of God),


The third one is the best bet in regards of the fulfillment of Mark 13 (a Matt. 24 Parallel). Though N.T. Wright is not a preterist in name (mostly because it is a Knee jerk reaction to a hyper-Preterist who gave him the wrong impression about the whole) He really deals with the symbolism the politics, and the culture, it gives you a great understanding of the whole picture that Jesus lived in and how and why he choose to say what he said.

Oh and the Bible........J/K

I want a Preterist book. That's what I want. If I get other related stuff, I'll consider Wright. But my request is very specific.

Tsk, tsk, if RI had gone to my site, he would see that I have said:

DeMar, Gary

Last Days Madness ~ The seminal work on preterism. A must have for any eschatological student. If I had to recommend just one book, this would be it. Chapter 11, "Identifying Antichrist", can be found here


But still RI that free online book by schwertely is the bomb - just print it out put it in a notebook as I have done and you have a book for your library

LDM though is a must have

and other books are recommended here:

http://www.preteristlist.com/praeteristresources.html

I am planning on going to your website! Give me a little credit! LOL I just hadn't gotten there, yet.

Your recommendation sounds excellent, and I will strongly consider that! Thanks, sis! :rihug:

[themuzicman]

*cough*Look in CR101*/cough*

[bar Jonah]

Hey Dee Dee, I have a question for ya. As we all know, you're very dedicated to stamping out the Neo-Hymenyists or whatever they're called, but we've yet to see a single one appear on Tweb as far as I know. What gives? Where are they? I can't say I've ever seen or heard a person advocating the positions you say they do. Do you have any examples of their posts or writings you might point me to?

That's the Neo-Hymenaewhatsits.

Get it straight. :rihrm: