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For Christians only - If pot were legal in your state would you use it?

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  • For that matter, society would probably be better off if tobacco smoking had never become a major legal industry. I have no doubt it's more dangerous than marijuana. But that cat has long been out of the bag.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
      For that matter, society would probably be better off if tobacco smoking had never become a major legal industry. I have no doubt it's more dangerous than marijuana. But that cat has long been out of the bag.
      But cigarette smokers are becoming more and more "second class citizens", with many municipalities outlawing smoking in any public buildings - even privately owned restaurants.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        But cigarette smokers are becoming more and more "second class citizens", with many municipalities outlawing smoking in any public buildings - even privately owned restaurants.
        I do think privately owned businesses should have the right to allow it. I just won't go there.
        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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        • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
          I do think privately owned businesses should have the right to allow it. I just won't go there.
          I guess I'm a libertarian in that regard -- a private business, say a bar or bowling alley, should be allowed to make a business decision that they can make more money by allowing OR disallowing smoking. Customers have a choice of coming in or not. Personally, I wouldn't eat in a restaurant where smoking was permitted, and I could smell it. If they had a separate smoking section that TRULY was separate, that'd be different.

          We had an IHOP that allowed smoking in one of their dining sections on weekends, but they weren't able to "contain" that smoke smell to just that section. Eventually, they just banned smoking altogether, because they got enough complaints from nonsmoking customers. But it was their choice.
          Last edited by Cow Poke; 11-11-2014, 10:38 AM.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
            I do think privately owned businesses should have the right to allow it. I just won't go there.
            Which would be your absolute right. Business owners should be given latitude to make decisions like that with the consumers/public being the final arbitrator on those decisions -- if they don't like them the owners of the business will lose revenue

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            • No. Like tobacco I see it as a work of the flesh as spoken of in Galatians, ". . . Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; . . . witchcraft{φαρμακεια, pharmakeia}, . . . and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." -- Galatians 5:20, 21.
              . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

              . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

              Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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              • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                No. Like tobacco I see it as a work of the flesh as spoken of in Galatians, ". . . Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; . . . witchcraft{φαρμακεια, pharmakeia}, . . . and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." -- Galatians 5:20, 21.
                Alcohol is just as much of a drug as these, if we're going to go by this particular etymology.
                "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                  Alcohol is just as much of a drug as these, if we're going to go by this particular etymology.
                  Then why the distinction ". . . witchcraft, . . . drunkenness, . . ?" The first one is being brought under the control of the substance, and the latter one has lost control of one's judgment. Addiction to alcohol would also would apply to the former, and loss of control where it applies to the latter, μέθη methe. Is this true or not true?
                  . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                  . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                  Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                  • Nah. I can't really see any theological problem with it, but I still don't want to use it.
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                    • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                      Then why the distinction ". . . witchcraft, . . . drunkenness, . . ?" The first one is being brought under the control of the substance, and the latter one has lost control of one's judgment. Addiction to alcohol would also would apply to the former, and loss of control where it applies to the latter, μέθη methe. Is this true or not true?
                      "Witchcraft" is probably much more in the spirit of the context. I think tobacco smoking is a bad idea but I don't think it falls in line with what Paul had in mind there. This verse has also been used to argue against Christians taking medicine, and if we're going to take it that literally, it could support that idea too. I think we should stick with the likely context of pagan rituals.
                      "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                      • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                        "Witchcraft" is probably much more in the spirit of the context. I think tobacco smoking is a bad idea but I don't think it falls in line with what Paul had in mind there. This verse has also been used to argue against Christians taking medicine, and if we're going to take it that literally, it could support that idea too. I think we should stick with the likely context of pagan rituals.
                        Believe what you want.

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                        . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                        Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                        • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                          I believe nothing on wikipedia that's in any way controversial.
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                          • At most, this establishes that Christians shouldn't be using tobacco as a part of pagan religious rituals.
                            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                            • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                              I believe nothing on wikipedia that's in any way controversial.
                              Not just wikipedia . . .

                              (CNN) -- Tobacco was first used by the peoples of the pre-Columbian Americas. Native Americans apparently cultivated the plant and smoked it in pipes for medicinal and ceremonial purposes.
                              . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                              . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                              Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                              • If we're dealing strictly in terms of theology, with politics and societal practicality aside, I wouldn't be at all quick to disassociate drugs with sorcery considering the human devastation (physically, mentally and spirtually) the former leaves in its wake. It might be bit more of a grey area for legal drugs, though probably not by much.

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