Oneness or Trinity

[endy]

I believe Christ's words take presidence over Paul. Yes I have answered. According to John 5 and Christ's own word he does not have the power, God does.


God can dwellth where ever he choses, and manifest as He choses. There is still one and only one God, and Jesus Christ is not God.

You have said God can dwellth whereever he chooses. Yes is the answer. But what you are denying is God dwelled in his own flesh that is Christ. Look at this verse.

Isa 59:15 Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.
Isa 59:16 And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.
Isa 59:17 For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and a helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloak.
Isa 59:18 According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompense to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompense.
This is clearly pointing to Jesus. To his own Flesh. Because God cannot find an intercessor. So his arm brought salvation unto him that is to us. then He pays "fury to his adversaries, recompense to his enemies;"
Plus

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

What about now do you deny?

[shunyadragon]

You have said God can dwellth whereever he chooses. Yes is the answer. But what you are denying is God dwelled in his own flesh that is Christ. Look at this verse.

Isa 59:15 Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.
Isa 59:16 And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.
Isa 59:17 For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and a helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloak.
Isa 59:18 According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompense to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompense.
This is clearly pointing to Jesus. To his own Flesh. Because God cannot find an intercessor. So his arm brought salvation unto him that is to us. then He pays "fury to his adversaries, recompense to his enemies;"
Plus

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

What about now do you deny?

I deny Jesus Christ is God, based Christ's own words. God choses to dwell within Christ, but Christ is not God.

[endy]

I deny Jesus Christ is God, based Christ's own words. God choses to dwell within Christ, but Christ is not God.

Ok if you deny Jesus is not God. So the scripture says about denying

1Jo 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit who confesses that Yeshua the Messiah has come in the flesh is of God,
1Jo 4:3 and every spirit who doesn't confess that Yeshua the Messiah has come in the flesh is not of God, and this is the spirit of the anti-messiah, of whom you have heard that it comes. Now it is in the world already.

From where does the Messiah comes in flesh. From heaven. THe one you don`t believe. How can God dwell in Christ unless & otherwise the Word of God become flesh which is the Son. May be you can say I believe in Messiah so that I do have God but the Messiah comes from above which is God.

Eph 4:10 He who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.
This is Jesus Christ no other thing which you are denying.

[shunyadragon]

Ok if you deny Jesus is not God. So the scripture says about denying

1Jo 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit who confesses that Yeshua the Messiah has come in the flesh is of God,
1Jo 4:3 and every spirit who doesn't confess that Yeshua the Messiah has come in the flesh is not of God, and this is the spirit of the anti-messiah, of whom you have heard that it comes. Now it is in the world already.

From where does the Messiah comes in flesh. From heaven. THe one you don`t believe. How can God dwell in Christ unless & otherwise the Word of God become flesh which is the Son. May be you can say I believe in Messiah so that I do have God but the Messiah comes from above which is God.

Eph 4:10 He who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.
This is Jesus Christ no other thing which you are denying.

Please not that the quote in John 4:2 says, 'is of God and not is God', which agrees with my belief and not the absurd Greco-Roman Doctrine of trinity.

Your quotes support my belief. 'Christ is of God', and most definitely not, 'is God.'

[stabalizer]

Please not that the quote in John 4:2 says, 'is of God and not is God', which agrees with my belief and not the absurd Greco-Roman Doctrine of trinity.

Your quotes support my belief. 'Christ is of God', and most definitely not, 'is God.'

I don't know if this helps but;

I believe God is triune, but not three people

1) Isa 43:10-12

2)Jn 14:21-23

Does the born-again person become three people upon receiving the Holy Spirit?

iow What is being applied to Jesus (Three in one) Can it be applied to self?

I am at peace understanding 1st Jn 5:7 as the definitive expression of the Godhead.

[sonofyah]

I believe in the Oneness of God. To me God is One and by himself created all things and through we have salvation. I believe that Jesus is God Manifested in the flesh, God became flesh. What I can not understand is how can theie be one God and yet be 3 persons in the God. How can the father be God and the Son as well and the Holy be God but each person is not one another yet they are one God. This is very confusing to me. Can someone explain?

First I would like to say the term "trinity" is not scriptural but there are three that are in heaven...

Mat 22:29- Yahoshua says that you do error NOT knowing the scriptures, nor the power of Elohim

Your problem starts with the word God. God is a terrible substitution for Elohim. Elohim means MIGHTY ONES. Gen 1:1 says In the begining ELOHIM created the heavens and the Earth...not God. We know that ALL three were there in the begining because scripture proves that nothing came into existance without Yahoshua (Emmanuel-means ELOHIM that is with us) and Gen 1:2 says the SPIRIT moved across the waters(thats the Ruach Hachodesh). John 1:1 says in the BEGINING was the "WORD"...verse 14 says the WORD was made flesh. Yahoshua was the word that became flesh that was here in the begining.

The problem is not in the choice of words people use today and we need to study more on our own instead of taking mans word for what goes on in the scriptures.

I believe that Jesus is God Manifested in the flesh, God became flesh.

There is nothing in scripture that confirms this. My advise to you is study. Read Rev. 5 CLEARLY lets you know that the father and the son are two different entities. Yahoshua is the Word made flesh not God made flesh. God is the name of a German Deity (look this up) know where in scripture does YHWH call himself GOD. YHWH appears 6823 times in scripture and the only correct transliteration is I AM THAT I AM not God. Everytime you see "LORD" YHWH was substituted and everytime you see God, ELOHIM is should be there. When you see LORD God there it should be writen YHWH Elohim.

What I can not understand is how can theie be one God and yet be 3 persons in the God. How can the father be God and the Son as well and the Holy be God but each person is not one another yet they are one God.

THIS IS NOT SCRIPTURAL...so whoever told you this is not your friend they are liars.

YHWH is Elohim the Father
Yahoshua is Emmanuel-Elohim that is with us
Ruach Hachodesh is the HOLY SPIRIT

[sonofyah]

I believe in the Oneness of God. To me God is One and by himself created all things and through we have salvation. I believe that Jesus is God Manifested in the flesh, God became flesh. What I can not understand is how can theie be one God and yet be 3 persons in the God. How can the father be God and the Son as well and the Holy be God but each person is not one another yet they are one God. This is very confusing to me. Can someone explain?

First I would like to say the term "trinity" is not scriptural but there are three that are in heaven...

Mat 22:29- Yahoshua says that you do error NOT knowing the scriptures, nor the power of Elohim

Your problem starts with the word God. God is a terrible substitution for Elohim. Elohim means MIGHTY ONES. Gen 1:1 says In the begining ELOHIM created the heavens and the Earth...not God. We know that ALL three were there in the begining because scripture proves that nothing came into existance without Yahoshua (Emmanuel-means ELOHIM that is with us) and Gen 1:2 says the SPIRIT moved across the waters(thats the Ruach Hachodesh). John 1:1 says in the BEGINING was the "WORD"...verse 14 says the WORD was made flesh. Yahoshua was the word that became flesh that was here in the begining.

The problem is in the choice of words people use today and we need to study more on our own instead of taking mans word for what goes on in the scriptures.

I believe that Jesus is God Manifested in the flesh, God became flesh.

There is nothing in scripture that confirms this. My advise to you is study. Read Rev. 5 CLEARLY lets you know that the father and the son are two different entities. Yahoshua is the Word made flesh not God made flesh. God is the name of a German Deity (look this up) know where in scripture does YHWH call himself GOD. YHWH appears 6823 times in scripture and the only correct transliteration is I AM THAT I AM not God. Everytime you see "LORD" YHWH was substituted and everytime you see God, ELOHIM is should be there. When you see LORD God there it should be writen YHWH Elohim.

What I can not understand is how can theie be one God and yet be 3 persons in the God. How can the father be God and the Son as well and the Holy be God but each person is not one another yet they are one God.

THIS IS NOT SCRIPTURAL...so whoever told you this is not your friend they are liars.

YHWH is Elohim the Father
Yahoshua is Emmanuel-Elohim that is with us
Ruach Hachodesh is the HOLY SPIRIT

[Krusader]

Sonofyah: I agree with you, the Trinity is taught in Scripture. However, can't you just use English, or are you posting from Israel?

You said:

"YHWH is Elohim the Father
Yahoshua is Emmanuel-Elohim that is with us
Ruach Hachodesh is the HOLY SPIRIT"

Let me tell you, friend, the use of Hebrew doesn't make you a better Christian, nor is it expected of Gentiles. Are you a Hebrew Christian? If not, why post in Hebrew?

[shunyadragon]

I don't know if this helps but;

I believe God is triune, but not three people

1) Isa 43:10-12

2)Jn 14:21-23

Does the born-again person become three people upon receiving the Holy Spirit?

iow What is being applied to Jesus (Three in one) Can it be applied to self?

I am at peace understanding 1st Jn 5:7 as the definitive expression of the Godhead.

I do not think God is a person, therefore it would not be 'three people', or Jesus Christ is God, but traditional it is; God the Father, God the Holy Spirit, and God the Son. A belief in a triune nature, who not necessarily refer to three Gods in One as above. A triune nature could refer to how God is manifest as God, the Spirit and the Word.

[freelight]

I do not think God is a person, therefore it would not be 'three people', or Jesus Christ is God, but traditional it is; God the Father, God the Holy Spirit, and God the Son. A belief in a triune nature, who not necessarily refer to three Gods in One as above. A triune nature could refer to how God is manifest as God, the Spirit and the Word.

Indeed that God is One is the Original State/Nature/Being of Deity - this Unity of Being precedes all duality or multiplicity and maintains Itself in their appearance.




paul

[stabalizer]

I do not think God is a person, therefore it would not be 'three people', or Jesus Christ is God, but traditional it is; God the Father, God the Holy Spirit, and God the Son. A belief in a triune nature, who not necessarily refer to three Gods in One as above. A triune nature could refer to how God is manifest as God, the Spirit and the Word.

1st Jn 5:7 There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Spirit, and these three are one. (inseparable)

It's comparative to 1st Jn 5:8. (three in earth agree)

Jn 14:23 Do you become three people when the Father and I take up residence in you? Also does the, "us" in vs 22 mean, "me".?

Isa 43 speaks for itself.

It's a divisive issue at best, but God took up residence in the ressurrected body of Jesus that saw no corruption. God 's new temple, made w/o hands.

God is a person. His name is Jesus.

[shunyadragon]

First I would like to say the term "trinity" is not scriptural but there are three that are in heaven...

Mat 22:29- Yahoshua says that you do error NOT knowing the scriptures, nor the power of Elohim

Your problem starts with the word God. God is a terrible substitution for Elohim. Elohim means MIGHTY ONES. Gen 1:1 says In the begining ELOHIM created the heavens and the Earth...not God. We know that ALL three were there in the begining because scripture proves that nothing came into existance without Yahoshua (Emmanuel-means ELOHIM that is with us) and Gen 1:2 says the SPIRIT moved across the waters(thats the Ruach Hachodesh). John 1:1 says in the BEGINING was the "WORD"...verse 14 says the WORD was made flesh. Yahoshua was the word that became flesh that was here in the begining.

The problem is in the choice of words people use today and we need to study more on our own instead of taking mans word for what goes on in the scriptures.



There is nothing in scripture that confirms this. My advise to you is study. Read Rev. 5 CLEARLY lets you know that the father and the son are two different entities. Yahoshua is the Word made flesh not God made flesh. God is the name of a German Deity (look this up) know where in scripture does YHWH call himself GOD. YHWH appears 6823 times in scripture and the only correct transliteration is I AM THAT I AM not God. Everytime you see "LORD" YHWH was substituted and everytime you see God, ELOHIM is should be there. When you see LORD God there it should be writen YHWH Elohim.



THIS IS NOT SCRIPTURAL...so whoever told you this is not your friend they are liars.

YHWH is Elohim the Father
Yahoshua is Emmanuel-Elohim that is with us
Ruach Hachodesh is the HOLY SPIRIT

I do not believe Elohim should be translated to MIGHTY ONES. It is a plural form of a noun used with singular verbs and adjective to signify something eternal, grand, mighty, extensive in extent. The use is with different nouns as with English. Both the Hebrew and English words for heavens and waters are used in a similar matter as in English - the waters of the Atlantic, and the heavens above.

[Mikhail]

Howdy, and how are you? This thread is related to my recent post about Oneness Pentecostals and T.D. Jakes.

Just curious, if you still hold to this POV? i.e. = Point-of-View

I will post the following for yourself and anyone who might taske an interest here!

I hope to repeat this post on my thread as well!

READ: Luke 22:69-70 NIV

But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God." They all asked, "Are you then the Son of God?"

Jesus replied, "You are right in saying I AM."

(emphasis mine)

Now my friends and readers, traditional Trinitarianism rejects the plurality of gods, and here, we may benefit from the - The Athanasian Creed!

Quote:

Christians worship one God in trinity, and trinity in unity, neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance. For the person of the Father is one; of the Son, another; of the Holy Spirit, another. But the divinity of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit is ONE!

As you may know, the Bible makes it abundantly clear there is only one God = Jesus quotes Moses in saying, "Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one" (Mark 12:29; compare Deuteronomy 6:4). Paul tells us that "there is no God but one" (1 Corinthians 8:4) and that "there is one God" (1 Timothy 2:5).

Read Matthew 3:16-17 NIV

"As soon as Jesus (the Son) was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God (the Holy Spirit) descending like a dove and lighting on him. And a voice from heaven (the Father) said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.""

Look closely and ponder Matthew 3:16-17 and here we find the Greek word: Parakletos - used to refer to "Holy Spirit" or "Spirit of Truth" - And.....

Jesus clearly said: "And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever; the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you." ~ John 14:16-17 ~

How can you know the TRUTH (John 18:37b) and Holy Spirit, if they deny God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son?

[Mikhail]

1 John 4:2-3



(New King James Version)



By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

[Mikhail]

Paul is to blame?

POP QUIZ:


Was Jesus' witness of Himself true or not?


John 8:14 NIV and John 5:31 NIV

Hmmmmmm.......

#1 Not true = John 5:31-32 NIV - "If I alone bear witness of Myself, My testimony is not true. 32"There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the testimony which He bears of Me is true."

Oooops.....

#2 TRUE = John 8:14 NIV "Jesus answered and said to them, "Even if I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true; for I know where I came from, and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from, or where I am going."