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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Is "Why is there something rather than nothing?" a legitimate question?
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostAre you suggesting that God created out of himself? If so, isn't that just a form of pantheism?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostLook at the entire citation as to what Creatio Exnhilo means in terms of theological concept of 'absolutely nothing.'Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostIt would be closer to Panentheism, with some serious qualifications.
So, just to confirm, you don't believe in creation Ex Nihilo? You're a panentheist (with some serious qualifications)?
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostIf what you're proposing is Panentheism, then shunya is correct, you're not proposing creation Ex Nihilo, which is fine, if that wasn't your intent.
So, just to confirm, you don't believe in creation Ex Nihilo? You're a panentheist (with some serious qualifications)?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Shunya, I don't think I have a problem with either Creatio ex Deo or an eternal universe or matrix. In asking why the universe exists, I'm mostly looking for some kind of "necessary reason" for there for to be a Creator. But in order to ask the question, nothingness has to be a coherent concept and I guess BP showed me why it isn't (unless we appeal to some kind of "fuzzy logic?")O Gladsome Light of the Holy Glory of the Immortal Father, Heavenly, Holy, Blessed Jesus Christ! Now that we have come to the setting of the sun and behold the light of evening, we praise God Father, Son and Holy Spirit. For meet it is at all times to worship Thee with voices of praise. O Son of God and Giver of Life, therefore all the world doth glorify Thee.
A neat video of dead languages!
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostAre you suggesting that God created out of himself? If so, isn't that just a form of pantheism?
And yes I recognize that God exists in a higher degree than ordinary things. He has necessary existence, whereas anything else has contingent existence.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostAnd yes I recognize that God exists in a higher degree than ordinary things. He has necessary existence, whereas anything else has contingent existence.O Gladsome Light of the Holy Glory of the Immortal Father, Heavenly, Holy, Blessed Jesus Christ! Now that we have come to the setting of the sun and behold the light of evening, we praise God Father, Son and Holy Spirit. For meet it is at all times to worship Thee with voices of praise. O Son of God and Giver of Life, therefore all the world doth glorify Thee.
A neat video of dead languages!
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostNo, even though God did not fashion the universe out of a pre-existing substance, He is in fact the ultimate cause of its existence.
And yes I recognize that God exists in a higher degree than ordinary things. He has necessary existence, whereas anything else has contingent existence.
"Some Christians argue that God Created the universe from absolutely nothing."
To which Seer replied,
"God is not nothing."
This seemed to suggest to me that Seer believes that the universe is made out of some sort of God...stuff. I suppose. To which he kinda confirmed, though admitted he's still working on it.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostHello Leonhard. The question you answered was actually addressed to Seer. Did you answer it because you have the same train of thought about creation as Seer does? Just to reiterate, shunya stated the following:
"Some Christians argue that God Created the universe from absolutely nothing."
To which Seer replied,
"God is not nothing."
This seemed to suggest to me that Seer believes that the universe is made out of some sort of God...stuff. I suppose. To which he kinda confirmed, though admitted he's still working on it.
It doesn't address the question of corruptibility, however.Last edited by Kelp(p); 11-11-2014, 07:25 PM.O Gladsome Light of the Holy Glory of the Immortal Father, Heavenly, Holy, Blessed Jesus Christ! Now that we have come to the setting of the sun and behold the light of evening, we praise God Father, Son and Holy Spirit. For meet it is at all times to worship Thee with voices of praise. O Son of God and Giver of Life, therefore all the world doth glorify Thee.
A neat video of dead languages!
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I find it interesting that not one post attempted to answer the question. Instead everyone went off on some side track.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostI find it interesting that not one post attempted to answer the question. Instead everyone went off on some side track.
Last edited by Adrift; 11-11-2014, 09:38 PM.
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