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    Quote Originally Posted by siam View Post
    I agree that though religions may appear to be similar in their generalities...they differ in their details and nuances......
    Hinduism is much too diverse and therefore difficult to discuss....but in some Hinduism, Atman (soul) is Brahman(God) therefore it (soul) is eternal...so,.... all human beings are (potential) "godmen"........
    Some Hinduism differentiates between Atman (soul) and Prana (life-force), others don't.....
    Point taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelp(p) View Post
    To me it sounds depressing. I don't know if I'll ever understand the Hindu and Buddhist hatred of differentiation and duality. Getting rid of suffering by giving up one's independent existence seems like curing a migraine by shooting oneself in the head.

    It also sounds extremely lonely. I don't know about you, but I don't want us to be the same person. If we're the same person then we can't be friends.
    Curious, I have studied Hinduism and Buddhism for many years, and never found them to hate anything.

    I have been a fan of Allan Watts since the 1960's, I will comment more on Allan Watts.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
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    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

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    Quote Originally Posted by siam View Post
    This Alan Watts seems to be a really bad communicator......if what he is trying to explain are the (original) concepts of Atman/Avatar (Hinduism) and Tathagatagarba (Buddhism).
    Careful with trying interpret Allan Watts specifically, because in a parts of his writing he ranges to very not serious, to sarcastic and ironic in an effort to get people to think and does not follow the deep warn grove of the many possible choices some call their 'One true path.'
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    Allan does not follow a literal linear logical line of reasoning, and sometime he does not mean what he says.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Curious, I have studied Hinduism and Buddhism for many years, and never found them to hate anything.

    I have been a fan of Allan Watts since the 1960's, I will comment more on Allan Watts.
    Hatred was too strong a word. I meant their rejection of it. In my admittedly limited knowledge, they seem to label duality as the fountain of all pain and suffering. "Realize that all is one and then you will be free of desire because you already have all that you need," things like that (that wasn't a quote of anything, just my attempt to sum up the teaching as I understand it).

    Note: I'm not saying contentment and fulfillment is a bad thing. It's something I try to practice myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Curious, I have studied Hinduism and Buddhism for many years, and never found them to hate anything.

    I have been a fan of Allan Watts since the 1960's, I will comment more on Allan Watts.
    Explain Hindu and Buddhist violence in the world. You speak only theoretically. You ignore what is going on in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Careful with trying interpret Allan Watts specifically, because in a parts of his writing he ranges to very not serious, to sarcastic and ironic in an effort to get people to think and does not follow the deep warn grove of the many possible choices some call their 'One true path.'
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    Allan does not follow a literal linear logical line of reasoning, and sometime he does not mean what he says.
    "One true path"?---In a time of Global identity crises, and changing national circumstances....an exclusivity in Eastern religious traditions may be prominent....but, IMO, traditionally Eastern "religions" have been more elastic.....In that sense, the saying of the Rig Veda---"Truth is One, the wise call it by many names" may represent the traditional (elastic) world-view of Eastern "religions".....and certainly, the diversity of Hinduism.......?.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedidiah View Post
    Explain Hindu and Buddhist violence in the world. You speak only theoretically. You ignore what is going on in the world.
    I am not sure of the connection you are looking for here equating conflict and violence in history related to the statement ', . . the Hindu and Buddhist hatred of differentiation and duality.' First. violence in the world is a very human thing throughout history for many reasons not related to this statement. Second, The reasons for violence in the Vedic and Buddhist cultures could be hardly be equated with 'I'll ever understand the Hindu and Buddhist hatred of differentiation and duality.' by the evidence in history. Third, Buddhism is the least violent in history then any other religion of the world. Fourth, The history of violence in the Vedic and Buddhist countries and regions of the world are mostly directly related to the history of invasion of Islam and western colonialism.

    An added note is that much of the conflict and violence in Africa and the Middle East can be traced back to colonialism, and the artificial colonial divisions of boundaries that became boundaries of countries, mixing and dividing different religious and ethnic groups for manipulation, divide, conquer and control resources.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    I am not sure of the connection you are looking for here equating conflict and violence in history related to the statement ', . . the Hindu and Buddhist hatred of differentiation and duality.'
    He isn't. He's connecting it to your statement,

    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Curious, I have studied Hinduism and Buddhism for many years, and never found them to hate anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by siam View Post
    "One true path"?---In a time of Global identity crises, and changing national circumstances....an exclusivity in Eastern religious traditions may be prominent....but, IMO, traditionally Eastern "religions" have been more elastic.....In that sense, the saying of the Rig Veda---"Truth is One, the wise call it by many names" may represent the traditional (elastic) world-view of Eastern "religions".....and certainly, the diversity of Hinduism.......?.......
    This is interesting, but I am trying address Allan Watts view and how he writes.

    In addressing the above statement, the problem addressed by Allan Watts, which I agree, remains that clinging to ancient world paradigms at the exclusion of others remains a problem in both the east and the west as is commonly addressed in the theme of Allan Watts writings. This does directly translate to much of the nationalism, conflict and violence in both the east and west.
    Last edited by shunyadragon; 11-14-2014 at 03:19 PM.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    He isn't. He's connecting it to your statement,
    Needs more explanation?!? As far as what he wrote he is if he is on topic.The problem with the statement is clear regardless
    Last edited by shunyadragon; 11-14-2014 at 08:51 PM.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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