Koran inspired by God

[amigoxp]

dear cerebrum 123

please put one by one of your question , i will answer . becoz these question are put down for many years and we have replied . so put one by one, i will try to answer you question.

first , jesus was called the word from Allah. it is true. but that doesnt mean he is God. if God wants anything he say "be" and it becomes. that is god's power. becoz of that he is God. so he created everything by the word kun or be. so it is the same instance of jesus also. becoz of this word jesus cannot become god.

further can you show one verse from the whole bible me where jesus said "i am god" or "worship me". if you can show it to me i will become a christian. you dont have to convince me rationaly or logically. just to point out one verse from bible.

you cannot find in whole bible. bcoz jesus never knew he was God almighty. he never claimed divinity. he never said i am god or worship me.

it is the church who made him God. jesus never had Godly attributes. he was a man and he called himself son of man. he always said The god is greater than himself. how can a god say that he is lower than the almighty if he is one of the trinity?

put me the next question after answering my question , i will answer . dont worry i will not get angry.

[Cerebrum123]

dear cerebrum 123

please put one by one of your question , i will answer . becoz these question are put down for many years and we have replied . so put one by one, i will try to answer you question.

first , jesus was called the word from Allah. it is true. but that doesnt mean he is God. if God wants anything he say "be" and it becomes. that is god's power. becoz of that he is God. so he created everything by the word kun or be. so it is the same instance of jesus also. becoz of this word jesus cannot become god.

further can you show one verse from the whole bible me where jesus said "i am god" or "worship me". if you can show it to me i will become a christian. you dont have to convince me rationaly or logically. just to point out one verse from bible.

you cannot find in whole bible. bcoz jesus never knew he was God almighty. he never claimed divinity. he never said i am god or worship me.

it is the church who made him God. jesus never had Godly attributes. he was a man and he called himself son of man. he always said The god is greater than himself. how can a god say that he is lower than the almighty if he is one of the trinity?

put me the next question after answering my question , i will answer . dont worry i will not get angry.

Actually Jesus not only claimed to be one with God the Father(therefore affirming that Jesus was God the Son), but accepted worship as well. He also exhibited attributes of the Divine. Your former post was too ridiculous to even answer, and has been refuted thoroughly(also Islamic teachings have seven earths each with creatures that do not exist, one just below the next. One of these earths even has a snake that can destroy mountains with a single bite.). As for the claims of Jesus, and his accepting worship, I give you these examples.

Jesus answered, "Don't you know me, Philip, even after
I have been among you such a long time?
Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. ...
Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the
Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the
miracles themselves." (John 14:10-11)

Here's an article that shows several of Jesus' claims of "I am", and shows exactly how they mean that He is God. http://answering-islam.org/Who/i_am.html

Even the Jews of His time realized that He was claiming to be God, He just wasn't using the exact phrase that you seem to need Him to use (He was being subtle, but they still knew what He meant by it).

John 10:32-34
New International Version (NIV)
32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[a]?

This next article shows examples of Jesus accepting worship, and that is something only God is worthy of(and I am sure that you agree about that point at least). http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/worship.htm

As for your question about the title Son of man, I understand your confusion, but you need to understand these verses in Daniel.

Daniel 7:12-14
New International Version (NIV)
12 (The other beasts had been stripped of their authority, but were allowed to live for a period of time.)

13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

In these verses is speaks of the "son of man" being given authority over everything by the "Ancient of Days". The "son of man" is Jesus, and the "Ancient of Days" is God. Why would God give authority over everything over to a mere man? So you see when Jesus said that He was the "Son of man", He was claiming to be the one whom the authority over everything would be given, and in fact God Himself. Jesus didn't need to use the exact phrase "I am God worship me", He only needed to make it clear that He was who He claimed to be. Notice also in these verses that it says that all nations and peoples of every language are worshiping the "son of man"(not yet a title, but that changed when Jesus came.
I am not worried about you getting angry, I am more worried that you are confining the words necessary for Jesus to claim divinity to a small catch phrase, and obviously that is not necessary, or even very logical. After all there are many ways to claim to be God without using those exact words. You need to understand the difference between functional vs ontological subordination. There is a far more in depth answer to how these are different, and how it works here http://www.tektonics.org/guest/psfuncsub.html . I would ask that you look at more of the articles available at answering-islam.org which I have already linked to.

EDITED: for reasons seen in the following 2 posts.

[Chrawnus]

Actually Jesus not only claimed to be God the Father,

You might want to rephrase that, unless you want to affirm modalism.

[Cerebrum123]

You might want to rephrase that, unless you want to affirm modalism.

You are right, that should be Jesus claimed to be ONE with God the Father. I will try and edit it. Thanks for pointing it out.

[Sparko]

sorry amigoxp. Koran = Fail. No way around it.

give it up.

[RBerman]

Great post, Cerebrum. Jesus says things like, "Everyone who lives and believes in me will never die." (John 11:26). And, "If you believe in God, believe also in me." (John 14:1)That was a really big deal, because the Old Testament prophets never asked people to have faith in the prophet, but only to have faith in God. Jesus was commanding to be treated like God. Similarly, he claimed the ability to forgive the sins of those who had faith in him, a prerogative which the Jews knew belonged to God alone (Mark 2:5-8). No mere prophet of the Old Testament ever forgave anyone's sins.