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Mormon Defectors are like Judas?

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    Denying Christ is nowhere near the same as denying Joseph Smith. One can leave the Mormon church, condemn their doctrines, yet still be convinced that Jesus is the Christ, so there is no true comparison.
    Exactly. Could you imagine anyone proclaiming that denying, say, John Calvin, Martin Luther, John Wesley or any of the founders of the various Protestant denominations is tantamount to denying Christ?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
      Denying Christ is nowhere near the same as denying Joseph Smith. One can leave the Mormon church, condemn their doctrines, yet still be convinced that Jesus is the Christ, so there is no true comparison.
      Unfortunately, by the time the Mormons are done screwing with somebody's head, they often reject Smith AND Christ.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #18
        There are some passages that could be misinterpreted to support a full-on shunning of someone. But IMO that would be a misapplication of them because a full-on shunning doesn't make sense, given the many passages that talk about the possibility of repentance for someone who sins egregiously or otherwise needs to be "disfellowshipped". If you shun someone so completely that your whole faith community is prohibited from having any contact with them ever again, there would be no chance for that person to a) be in dialogue with believers that would lead them to repentance or b) express their repentance to the community if they did repent.

        To be fair, not all LDS or LDS communities shun people who leave.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Kind Debater View Post
          There are some passages that could be misinterpreted to support a full-on shunning of someone. But IMO that would be a misapplication of them because a full-on shunning doesn't make sense, given the many passages that talk about the possibility of repentance for someone who sins egregiously or otherwise needs to be "disfellowshipped". If you shun someone so completely that your whole faith community is prohibited from having any contact with them ever again, there would be no chance for that person to a) be in dialogue with believers that would lead them to repentance or b) express their repentance to the community if they did repent.
          EGGzackly... for example, the whole "Church Discipline" thing in Matt 18 is not about "how to kick somebody out", but how to regain a brother.

          To be fair, not all LDS or LDS communities shun people who leave.
          While I confess that my personal experience with Mormons who have left Mormonism is limited to half a dozen couples/families/individuals, in every one of those cases, the shunning was quite obvious. The lady in Salt Lake City that my wife and I met and ministered to said that some of her Mormon friends DID contact her, but it was very obvious that they were trying to do it "under the radar" and it would NOT be approved by their Church.

          Incidentally, the SLC lady was in a situation where her husband was "shacking up" with another Church member, but was an "official" in the local Mormon Church, and when she went to talk to her Bishop, he told her she needed to submit to him and pray for him. There was no penalty to him whatsoever for his conduct.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            EGGzackly... for example, the whole "Church Discipline" thing in Matt 18 is not about "how to kick somebody out", but how to regain a brother.



            While I confess that my personal experience with Mormons who have left Mormonism is limited to half a dozen couples/families/individuals, in every one of those cases, the shunning was quite obvious. The lady in Salt Lake City that my wife and I met and ministered to said that some of her Mormon friends DID contact her, but it was very obvious that they were trying to do it "under the radar" and it would NOT be approved by their Church.

            Incidentally, the SLC lady was in a situation where her husband was "shacking up" with another Church member, but was an "official" in the local Mormon Church, and when she went to talk to her Bishop, he told her she needed to submit to him and pray for him. There was no penalty to him whatsoever for his conduct.
            How was it HER fault that her husband was sinning???
            If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
              How was it HER fault that her husband was sinning???
              Mormonism, in my opinion, is incredibly sexist and male dominated.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                Mormonism, in my opinion, is incredibly sexist and male dominated.
                Well, the whole males get to be gods and females just get to reproduce for eternity thing don't help!
                If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  Mormonism, in my opinion, is incredibly sexist and male dominated.
                  Yep.
                  "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                    Well, the whole males get to be gods and females just get to reproduce for eternity thing don't help!
                    That, and the husband has to call the wife forth for her to be resurrected...
                    That's what
                    - She

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