A Question To Believers And Non-Believers

[Sacrificial Ram]

As counter point to Minnesota's question about what arguement do you find most compelling, ..

What arguement from 'The other side' do you find LEAST compelling?

[Sacrificial Ram]

There are many arguements I can not compelling.. but the one that I find the LEAST compelling of all is


"If you don't believe, you are going to burn in hell forever"

[salvationfound]

The least compelling argument for me against atheism is the question of
evil.

he he he I got your attention now haven't I since I know many people find
the problem of evil the biggest thing against Christianity.

[Sacrificial Ram]

The least compelling argument for me against atheism is the question of
evil.

he he he I got your attention now haven't I since I know many people find
the problem of evil the biggest thing against Christianity.

Please explain further..

[salvationfound]

Sorry I think my post was a little more sarcastic than it needed to be. The
point is this thread was asking what we personally feel is the least
compelling argument. If I answer will you just accept it as my personal
opinion or will you try and convince of how my logic is wrong? I don't want
this to turn into a debate since that's not what this thread is suppose to do
only just describe our personal feelings.
So I will tell you if you say you'll accept my answer as my own personal
opinion and not try to turn it into a debate on how my reasoning is wrong.

[TrinityKicker]

The argument I find most compelling in favor of atheism is one I came up with on my own. I don't know why I've never heard it before. When I thought of it, I was so terrified that I refused to think about it for weeks. Of couse, I'm not going to share it with anyone. I consider it too personal to post.

I don't find any argument in favor of atheism to be worse than most other's I've come across.

[A Beautiful Truth]

Multiple Universe as an explanation to why we have a "just right" universe for life is one of the least compelling arguments.

I also find atheist arguments weak when it comes to issues of morality. If right and wrong are relative, then who can say what is truly right and wrong.

[Jayrok]

perhaps pascal's wager. Just being a theist doesn't mean you believe and worship the "right" God. Perhaps christianity is wrong and Krishna is the way to go?

That, and the idea that God would have his creation suffer an eternity of torment in some place called hell for simply not believing in the new testament.

[btboy500]

The problem of evil.

[Jordan]

The argument I find most compelling in favor of atheism is one I came up with on my own. I don't know why I've never heard it before. When I thought of it, I was so terrified that I refused to think about it for weeks. Of couse, I'm not going to share it with anyone. I consider it too personal to post.

Why did you have to say that? Now I'm going to be wondering for days what this argument was and why it scared you so much.

[Faramir]

For me the argument that God can not be proven using naturalistic methods.

God is supernatural. This is exactly what you would expect.

[Rationalist]

Multiple Universe as an explanation to why we have a "just right" universe for life is one of the least compelling arguments.

The truth here is that we don't know whether the universe actually is "just right" for life at all. The notion of "just right" implies that the constants of the universe could be otherwise. But there is no evidence for this. This may be the only way the universe could be.

I also find atheist arguments weak when it comes to issues of morality. If right and wrong are relative, then who can say what is truly right and wrong.

Third wave philosophers and socio-evoluntionary biologists don't believe that morals are socially or culturally relative, and that what is right and wrong is a natural and inevitable outcome of evolutionary contingencies, and not in any sense arbitrary.

In otherwords, the moral status of murder, theft, and betrayal is as inevitable and natural as predators, herbivores, and parasites. They are both inevitable given the way evolution works.

[Rationalist]

God is supernatural. This is exactly what you would expect.

So are Unicorns, Leprechauns, and Fairies.

[btboy500]

Third wave philosophers and socio-evoluntionary biologists don't believe that morals are socially or culturally relative, and that what is right and wrong is a natural and inevitable outcome of evolutionary contingencies, and not in any sense arbitrary.

In otherwords, the moral status of murder, theft, and betrayal is as inevitable and natural as predators, herbivores, and parasites. They are both inevitable given the way evolution works.

Is this not trying to derive moral prescriptions from scientific descriptions?

[Rationalist]

As counter point to Minnesota's question about what arguement do you find most compelling, ..

What arguement from 'The other side' do you find LEAST compelling?

Atheism:

Most Compelling: God's "plan" just doesn't make much sense.

Least Compelling: Christian "X" once did something bad, therefore God doesn't exist.

Theism:

Most Compelling: Wouldn't it be great if the universe cared about us poor pathetic humans.

Least Compelling: "I was once an atheist/evolutionist/etc like you once, but then I wasn't."